UPD 2023-12-05, 09:45: Thanks to first responders. I’ve got better answers than expected, both in constructiveness and mood and no less in an acceptance even if not agreeing on somethings. I will not be answering each and every from this point after, but may occasionally answer some.
Things I’ve learned – we are where we are ;) Belief in federated and etc… is strong here. I wasn’t blocked, banned and (sadly – as I like to kick back) nobody atack’ed me personaly :))). Lemmies-nsfw are not on defensive emotional mode or only right people happened to see my post.
Funny note: hadn’t noticed restored full upvotes/downvotes functionality right away as now it it rightly limited to channel-comunity subscibed readers. I wasn’t subscriber of c/asklemmynsfw, only occasional reader :) – so I had my minute of “wait it’s back? wtf, where?” :))) Thanks to devs and mods for that upgrade.
ORIGINAL POST:
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Got a bit tired of limited content here on lemmy nsfw, same several posters, almost empty chanels (communities), almost none somewhat valuable discussions.
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Then add the lost ability to sort anything by upvotes/downvotes and even if downvotes back, no existing functionality to sort by votes within the chanel (community).
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And on top of that, if you take random (non tech.) user, it’s too hard for them to understand how to begin to use lemmy – I recomend someone, they try it 5-15minutes to get onboard and lose it along the way.
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Jumped recently back to reddit, to check the things – I was among thirst wave of exodus, even removed my (nsfw reading) account there. I installed an app and got back there in 5 minutes (even while creating new account), and right away got it all – plenty of everything and full functionality. // P.S. and yes, I know that all technological diference stuff about distributed versus centralized lemmy vs reddit. That’s not a question.
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From point where my question stands there is no difference between centralized reddit mods moderation (you may call it authoritarism, dictatorship or elite driven *cracy – whatever) and lemmynsf (beeing just one specific server) mods ruling here. It’s one against one, both centralized no more and no less ~ same.
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So whats the deal? I’m begining to lose my understanding why stay on lemmynsf?
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Especially after quite clear hints that readers do not matter much here and it is not for convenience of them at all. Not clear if mods are eager to create env where only posters stroke (jerk) each other or they care about the readers and content self moderation (up to limits set by each channel-comunity rules ofcourse) but to the readers likings, or is this like instagram where some supposedly chatty “influesomethings” constantly spam in their own channels and others either follow, either not to their liking.
P.S. marking this as nsfw, as my question is only about lemmynsfw server and it’s comunity, readers, posters and mods opinions about env and arguments to stay/leave here. P.P.S. numbering each question description point – as each of them could be a separate discussion. I think it will be easyer to discuss it with less emotions, more with arguments and opinions on each or several items separately. ,
P.P.P.(is it enough of P’s :)S. Oh and feel free to atack personaly – I’ll try to enjoy it, but don’t cry then after if that’s your only argument or opinion. ;). Hints on correct english are wellcome, it gladly will be fixed - I’m non native speaker. Thanks.
- no third party android apps
RIP
You can still use 3rd party apps if you patch them with Revanced. I still Use RIF, and it works just like it did before the shutdown.
I use reddit for porn still. But I also use this, the communities are slowly growing, and we admins are trying to get user engagement up and toxicity down.
We’ve already brought back downvotes, just limiting them to communities you’ve been subscribed to for a week.
Additionally the admins here are here “in the trenches” so to speak wayyy more than reddit admins. If you report a spambot or someone who’s being incredibly toxic the response will be much quicker.
We also are listening to what our users want, and we do our best to align what we do with what they want, while still being effective admins, like with the upvote changes.
Instead of fully switching to one or the other, I recommend a hybrid approach, and also, if anyone here posts on reddit, maybe post the same post here too, or instead. That way we can get even more people posting.
All in all, sustainable organic growth takes time. And we are literally a decade behind reddit in age, so it makes sense to not fully commit to lemmynsfw yet.
We’re not as user or feature rich as reddit, but the lemmy devs are working hard, and we even have devs working on changes for our particular instance. Lemmy and lemmynsfw are getting better and more users day by day. It’ll just take some time.
// Thanks to mods and dev people for upgrades
Especially thanks for bringing back full functionality of up/down votes. Limiting it to comunities was the first thing I myself sugested, then someone reasoned for disabling, in one of the recent letting steam off posts. That is how votes should have worked from the very begining.
I’ll note that this all fuss was avoidable, temporary solution was quite unnesessry and could have been avoided if not only posters (who are the louder beeings compared to readers) where taken into account. Thanks anyway, for atleast letting to get a steam out and not for bloking or removing posts and comments which where against.
For as the old saying goes ;) Take my features once, shame on you. Take my features twise, shame on me – if not starting to look where the grass is greener. Bare beliefts in ideology about federated and shit, will not cover ass log if things become crippled compared to alternatives.
While I agree with you that the community limited downvotes was always the best option, the reason we disabled them at that time is we had several creators say they were fed up with the level of downvotes and toxicity and were on the verge of leaving, and the community upvote solution didn’t exist so we had to act fast.
Afterwards we saw a significant drop in the level of toxicity and an immediate increase in original content after we disabled downvotes.
Thanks to fellow admin xaeg for crancking out that change so quickly! Speaking as a dev, working in a newish language and in a new code environment is hard, and he cranked that out really quickly.
You’re free to use what you want. No one here is going to stop you. I don’t agree with your conclusions, but that’s why I’ll stay off of Reddit and you might not.
- I don’t agree that it’s easy and good. Reddit is convenient for sure, but the native apps and Web interfaces are shitty to use: loused with ads, attention stealers, sponsored/affiliate content and tracking. Only way I could use Reddit even back when is through one of the third party apps Reddit decided it’s too good for, and which has ported to Lemmy.
And if you’re in it for the porn, I’d argue there are much much better sites for it than Reddit, in both usability and quality. But if you want the specific type of porn that thrives on Reddit, you will need to go there.
As for myself, I kinda enjoy the Tumblr vibe in some of the comms and I definitely enjoy not having revenge porn, amateur guitar playing, spambots, desperate/unwilling fledgling OF marketing, bot war of the week, AND tracked ads littering my porn feed.
Lemmy and lemmynsfw are tiny platforms just starting up, it’s gonna be at least a well funded years to develop them into something resembling a consumer grade platform, and it’s not entirely clear it has to or wants to.
If you want something with convenience and polish, Lemmy probably isn’t it, and you’ll be better off on one of the others. If you want to be part of building and developing something unique, being an active part in shaping our collective future, there is a corner on Lemmy to contribute to.
I think for me the main reason was mobile access. When all the reddit stuff happened one of the main thing that seemed to be staying is that 3rd party API would not have access to content marked as nsfw, which makes using an app (I was using Infinity) really weird.
I don’t know if it’s possible or not today, but that’s the main thing I’m considering when staying on Lemmy (SFW or NSFW for that matter; as Infinity looks like it’s not working anymore, and Reddit will be going only harder through its enshittification phase to go public)
I’m going to be 1000 PERCENT, COMPLETELY HONEST, okay? Kinda long preamble, here, but stay with me:
First of all, I am here because I got banned from Reddit. I got banned from Reddit because of a stupid, momentary decision. Someone abusively clicked the “get help for this user” button on me, because they disagreed with something I said. So I hit the same button, on their post. They didn’t get punished for abusing the system. I got a LIFETIME BAN for retaliating, in kind.
I am unwilling to risk trying to create another account, because there are other people in my house, on my IP address, who might catch an IP ban. These are people I love, with multi-year-old Reddit accounts. I won’t risk it. Not even using a VPN, to make a new account. The risk of accidentally touching the site without the VPN engaged is too great. If I ever change my static IP, I might make a new Reddit account. However, the entire situation made me realize just how EXTREME the Reddit admin power tripping has become.
I don’t want to have to be under their thumb. But, sure enough, if you fuck with Reddit, you have to live by their terms. You can’t fight City Hall. If they want you gone, you’re gone. If they want to say “ackshually, starting from the first of next month, we’re not allowing NSFW content,” they can do that.
More to the point, they WILL eventually do that. That day WILL come. When they kick everyone off of /r/gonewild and every other NSFW part of Reddit, for morality and/or advertising revenue related reasons.
We HAVE to have a plan, for when that day comes. It’s not just about fapping. It’s about freedom. It’s about the oldschool internet that I grew up with, not being eaten away by commercial and political forces. We have to slowly and patiently build a community outside of the Reddit sphere of influence, so they can’t just wipe out the big chunk of uncensored, truly free internet that they currently have lordship over.
How about users not berating other users for not using Linux or saying Linux is shit for noobs ( can you show me a single Linux distro one can use without using Terminal ever ? and find a distri where I can work without finding additional software for tasks like editing a document where I can add picture , paragraph specing or use macros , xlookup etc)
How about user having more general and common interactions.