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Heavens help you if an ancient Greek or Roman author happens to have disliked you…

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22 points

History is written by the conquerors.

To the victor goes the spoils, as they say.

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Pretty simplistic. There are examples of marginalised narratives winning out.

some decent examples in this stackexchange thread: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/5597/is-history-always-written-by-the-victors

I remember stumbling on more academic criticism somewhere but I’m honestly just too lazy to find it :)

Really I think the more interesting thing to point out and discuss is that history is written by people, with ideologies, for reasons. When we examine history we need to ensure we try to do so from a variety of perspectives and with an open mind as even the best scholars making their best efforts to be fair will not describe history objectively. That is an impossible task.

At best we can hope to identify where interpretations are disputed and what the reasons for that are. E.g. lack of evidence, value differences, political motives etc.

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7 points

Simplistic, but marginalized narratives were also burned in big bonfires at times, as well.

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Sorry I don’t follow. I think we agree that if nobody survives or people are forced to exist in a hostile culture it’s harder for them to propagate their stories.

But if we go too far we ignore the work of the brilliant people who did manage to preserve their account of events. From Indian perspectives on Indian war of independence vs Sepoy Uprising, to native Americans, Aboriginal Australians, Maori people and so on fighting generational struggles to preserve their recounting of events and be acknowledged.

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8 points

Damn I guess historians just repeat sources all day without any sense of critical thinking.

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3 points

“Woe to the vanquished”

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『tosses sword onto the scale』

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What is neat is that after the people in those oppressive regimes faking the news die the archeological evidence they leave behind paints a much clearer image. Even more recent stuff like the move of the Benin Bronzes into the British Museum in 1897, after they were forcibly taken from Nigerian natives in the Kingdom of Benin when a British Diplomat thought it apt to kill the king and loot the palace instead. They were, for decades, known as upright officials, but now the entire world has a very complete timeline of every single action they took on their atrocity filled adventure.

Even things as far back as the western history of Greece and Egypt that people are so accustomed to has been thoroughly examined and refuted by archaeological evidence.

The only cases where this isn’t true, yet, is when literally nothing was left behind by the invaders: like with the Catholic Crusades against the Vikings in the 12th and 13th century, destroying some of their languages and cultures completely. Someday, though, we might know more about what they believed in or how to read their runes instead of taking the Church’s word for it.

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18 points

Ancient marble statues weren’t white. They were colored

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HEY! Hey, they were statues of colour (SOC).

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7 points

True. Imagine how funny they looked

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12 points

No need to imagine: here it is

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