6 points

Not helpful.

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I liked it. Makes it seem like he isn’t disconnected from the world, he knows what we want.

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Overall in total, I probably agree, but the raw quote of saying that he’d probably not be running if Trump wasn’t running is giving certain groups too much ammo. They won’t present or repeat everything said, just that tiny quote or versions of it.

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OTOH if the GOP wants Biden to drop out all they have to do is get Trump to do the same. So it’s on them. They want Biden out all Trump has to do is continue to shit his pants in FL and never run again.

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3 points

He didn’t say probably. He said he wasn’t sure. Those are two vastly different things.

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85 points

This is why we have no honesty in politics.

For fucks sake. He’s trying to do everything he can to alert the country their democracy is in grave danger to the point of admitting he wouldn’t still be there if he didn’t think he had the best chance of stopping Trump.

And at the sidelines we have endless hand-wringing about his age and calls for a better candidate.

THEY ARENT STEPPING UP BECAUSE THEY AGREE BIDEN HAS THE BEST CHANCE.

Everyone complains the Democrats suck at messaging and then bitch about everything they say and do, even when it’s honest, straightforward, and easy to understand.

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To be clear, I’m fine with him and his age, I just think the minimal quote that will inevitably be amplified may be too useful for the hand-wringers and GOP.

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7 points

That’s fair, but they’ll also do that with anything he says while taking credit for his accomplishments.

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Or, they could actually do more for the people.

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8 points

Yeah because the NoVote crowd sure made that easy to accomplish letting the GOP back into the house.

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THEY ARENT STEPPING UP BECAUSE THEY AGREE BIDEN HAS THE BEST CHANCE.

This is not at all the only conclusion one would draw from an incumbent president not drawing challengers. Incumbent challenges usually cause division and a divided party may be in a worse place than a party unifying around a bad candidate. If Biden decides to run, we’re pretty much stuck with him.

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That is kinda fair.

I am totally dismissing both Cornell West* (thanks for the correction) and Robert Kennedy Jr because of their third party runs in this environment, and anyone else wanting to challenge Biden would need to make a very solid case that they are a better pick.

It’s worth saying I wanted Bernie. I don’t think even trying to pivot to him would be a good idea.

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“Our democracy” has been dead for a century. You guys are like rats running around a maze with your moronic “lesser of two evils” between two parties all controlled by the same interests.

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Ohhhhh so ONLY Joe can beat Trump! That’s why he’s doing it everyone, no one else has any chance!

This makes zero fucking sense outside of the incumbents advantage. The biggest talking points around the country to get ’moderates’ and ‘undecideds’ to vote for Trump, vote third party, or abstain from voting are almost completely centered on him personally and to a lesser extent the DNC. It also ignores the many 2020 voters who were “I can’t believe they’re going to make me vote for Joe Biden”, people which anecdotally is everyone I know irl that voted for him.

If he had stepped aside and let another primary happen not only do we lose all that baggage(a good portion of which I will freely admit is horsehit and the remainder mostly also apply to Trump) and the candidates could use the primary to get the electorate excited about something new and different, which would be a big gain in the fight to stop fascism. I’m gonna vote for you again Joe, but this is a foolish take imo

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Well, in the end they will keep the status quo going, since they know people will vote for just about anyone that runs in the blue party.

2016 Sanders vs. Hillary reminds me that people are willing to stay home or change party.

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5 points

We know Biden can beat Trump. We don’t know if that’s certain for anybody else.

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We don’t know it’s certain he can do it again either

Biden didn’t have a four year presidency filled with deep economic issues for the average person last time, we were also in a plague, and had seen insane political activism all year. Inflation wasn’t on everyone’s mind and there weren’t two serious wars going on that we are funding with him as the CMC. He’s not popular or well liked even by his voters

Additionally Trump was and had been obviously more looming and visible to the average voter who really doesn’t pay much attention to politics or even the news for that matter. People were animated to get him out. I don’t think it will happen that way this time. Most folks have short memories and vote with their pocket book.

Again I’ll crawl over glass to for him because there’s only two possibilities and I hope I’m wrong, but it seems like they are playing prevent defense, and prevent defense prevents you from winning. I don’t feel confident in the slightest

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Let’s all be completely honest, here. Far Left and Right folks are loud af, but the American Population is so Centrist that they made Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden the DNC Presidential candidates to begin with. A whitebread US Moderate old fucker like Joe probably has the highest chances, period.

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No we don’t. Covid won 2020 for the democrats, Biden was just along for the ride.

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And in the 2020 primaries Biden won the candidacy against Bernie Sanders with 2,720 delegates to 1,114. They also had 51% of the popular vote compared to Bernie’s 26% in the primaries.

Biden is the most popular DNC candidate, sadly he best represents the feelings of the most Americans total. Even if we had a further left and more overall popular candidate, we wouldn’t have nearly as many people cross the aisle from conservatives who are currently split down the middle between Trump loyalism and Rule of Law conservatives.

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35 points

Historically incumbents have a huge advantage. It would be foolish to throw that away.

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Like I said that’s the only part I can understand, but just because something has been a trend doesn’t mean it will stay one or even that there won’t be exceptions. I see that side of it, but I’m still suspicious he can do it again

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It’s been more than 100 years since an incumbent didn’t run for a second term and their party maintained the presidency (excluding Calvin Coolidge who technically didn’t run two terms, but basically did). No one knows what would happen if he were not to run, but history has shown that it’ll probably lead to a Republican win. It’s easier to predict the outcome having the incumbent run, and probably against the same person last time. Not saying it’s the best decision, but it is the most logical one.

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7 points

Since 1980, 3 of the 7 incumbents have lost.

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Yeah, one of them had a hostage crisis plague his presidency, the next got spoiled into total oblivion by a billionaire with some charts, and the last killed over a million Americans by sowing plague misinformation because it made him look bad.

A preponderance of extraordinary circumstances does not establish a trend worth placing bets on.

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Biden thought that Trump would be politically finished if he lost the 2020 election --and in a rational world he would’ve been-- but he underestimated both the cowardice of Republican leaders and the slavish devotion of Trump’s followers, as did many of us, myself included. That’s why he feels obligated to take the safe route instead of stepping down. If Trump was gone or otherwise not the existential threat that I and many others believe he is, I doubt very much that Biden would be running again.

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Would probably be more entertaining too.

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6 points

“This election season is sponsored by… Cocaine.”

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30 points

Getting 2016 vibes this time around…

Or it is just the vocal few that are more openly speaking out…

Polling and all, it will be in the history books come 2024.

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Honestly, this reminds me of 1968. Old president supports war unpopular with youth, people protest, the GOP choose a failed candidate from the previous election, y’know?

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Thanks for the info!

The 1968 United States presidential election was the 46th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 5, 1968. The Republican nominee, former vice president Richard Nixon, defeated both the Democratic nominee, incumbent vice president Hubert Humphrey, and the American Independent Party nominee, former Alabama governor George Wallace. This was the last election until 1988 in which the incumbent president was not on the ballot. Incumbent president Lyndon B. Johnson had been the early front-runner for the Democratic Party’s nomination, but he withdrew from the race after only narrowly winning the New Hampshire primary. Eugene McCarthy, Robert F. Kennedy and Humphrey emerged as the three major candidates in the Democratic primaries until Kennedy was assassinated. His death after midnight on June 6, 1968, continued a streak of high-profile assassinations in the 1960s.

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Trump also seems the type to actively sabotage any sort of peace process to boost his own campaign.

And he has that Southern Strategy down pat.

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This is by far the more accurate historical analogy.

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16 points

If the history books aren’t burned.

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Books were being banned and censored way before this decade.

Not sure what you are trying to point out that is not new…

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Trump’s gonna burn the history books and replace them with McDonalds menus.

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Old problems are still problems. Pointing out their age does nothing to solve them.

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