Why YSK: Choosing an instance with defederation policies you’re most comfortable with is important to make your Fediverse experience smooth in the long run.
Here is a chart showing the defederation count of each instance.
| Instance | Defederated with how many other instances |
|---|---|
| beehaw.org | 405 |
| feddit.de | 101 |
| lemmy.world | 63 |
| lemmy.ml | 44 |
| sh.itjust.works | 4 |
| exploding-heads.com | 3 |
You can get it by going to the instance’s instance list and scrolling/Ctrl+Fing down to “Blocked Instances”. To find the instance list, go to https://your-instance.url/instances, for example, https://lemmy.world/instances
This is kinda why I wish we had user-level instance blocking, there aren’t any popular instances that match my preferred blocklist and I don’t want to have to go out and request federation for everything I want to see. For example, the top sites I don’t want to see are lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and exploding-heads, and while beehaw gets all three, they also block instances I don’t find problematic like lemmy.world.
So I ended up on lemmy.world and manually block all the stuff I don’t want to see, but it’d be loads easier if I could just ask not to be shown content from instances I want to avoid.
Couldn’t this be accomplished by deploying your own personal instance? Or am I missing something.
You’re right, however it might not be that simple especially when considering costs.
Pretty cheap if your personal server is just for you… And even if you want to add a few friends & family. I plan on starting my own instance next month.
lemmygrad and exploding-heads I can understand but why lemmy.ml? It’s a general purpose instance with no known bot/Nazi/Tanky/other fascist/etc. infestion.
I thought lemmy.ml was run by the same people as lemmygrad. (And the Lemmy code creators)
At the beginning (of the reddit exodus) the admins were definitely banning people from lemmy.ml for being “critical of the Chinese government” calling it racism. (“Orientalism” was their term.)
I switched to lemmy.world that same day, and haven’t really kept up with that instance since then.
I think it’s funny when assholes (and it’s always the assholes of any group) scream that anything slightly challenging a point of view is racist/phobic…no it’s not you fuck heads there can be legitimate different points of view without it being from hate. For example I’m an American, some shit we do well, lots more shit we do poorly, but calling anyone who calls the US on their bullshit “racist/phobic/current term de jour” makes me assume the person accusing is a moron and their opinion shouldn’t matter…it only gets weird when you have two genuine morons trying to claim the high ground like say a white supremacists being upset a black supremacist is calling them out, they both suck.
I’m sorry…I’m in Florida and there’s so much goddamn stupidity here it’s insane. Take drag shows…have you ever been to one? I’m straight straight…but drag shows are a blast, everyone leans in enjoys themselves and move on. The shows are aimed at adults and spend no time indoctrinating kids unlike the Catholic church…hell I can’t think of one news story about a kid getting molested at a drag show/brunch/library hour, can’t say the same for church, but nobody is trying to protect the kids from getting diddled by “god’s” messengers.
I’ve lost my point, but fuck Florida.
I feel like it’s more important to know why these defederations happened than how many there are. Well beehaw just screams their reason with their number but that’s a separate thing.
Way too complicated and tedious. Do you audit the blacklist of your adblocker? Doubtful.
For the vast majority of people, a cliff’s notes and prior experience with an instance’s general moderation policy and trustworthiness will have to suffice. Not so different that choosing a social media platform or subreddit, really.
In my experience, I think these numbers correlate nicely with how curated the moderation is and inversely proportional to the tolerance to objectionable content from a moderate POV.
and inversely proportional to how tolerant they are to extreme views… just to be balanced
Why is beehaw so high?
When they defederated from lemmy.world, the stated reason was the open registration policy. Their registration process is handled manually. I suspect that they operate a much tighter ship when it comes to moderation. This has it perks and problems.
I tried to sign up to check it out, but apparently the essay I had to write pledging my undying commitment to a community I had not even experienced yet was insufficient to be accepted. Their loss.
Mine was the same. I am generally a nice person, I just want a nice place to comment to people, talk about gaming, cars/motorcycles, animals and technology but I wasn’t good enough somehow. I literally wrote a paragraph. No idea what I had to say to get in.
I’m just a derpysmilingcat, I’m not evil lol
IDK, I don’t feel like I had to say that much to get in with my alt. I just wrote about how I liked having some more heavily moderated spaces to discuss sensitive topics. I even mentioned that I planned to maintain an alt to access less moderated spaces, just that I also intended to respect the culture and the vibe of Beehaw when interacting there.
They started with a commonly shared fediverse block list a lot of mastodon instances and stuff start up with. Since they’ve also defederated some instances that allow child porn, some political extreme instances, and some very large instances they couldn’t moderate the influx from.
They also defederated from instances that have open sign-ups because they allow bots to join too easily. This included lemmy.world.
That would depend if you think lolicon or hentai of canonically underage characters in general is CP or not.
Doesn’t matter in the case of Beehaw though because they defederate from any instance that allows pornographic NSFW content of any kind period - as do probably a majority of instances, at least until Lemmy creates better filtering systems.
With the federation system, if you run a Lemmy instance and one of your users subscribes to an instance that hosts CP, does your own server end up hosting CP? Or does Lemmy tell the browser to retrieve the actual content directly from the original server?
beehaw.org at 405
Jeeez, that pretty much cements my reason for moving over from them. Defederating lemmy.world and other big instances for moderation reasons was reasonable for the time being, but that sheer number overall shows the control they want over their instance, and so much is excluded as a result, a lot of it likely due to ideological misalignment.
When moving over from that other site it was the first instance I tried, for no particular reason.
They made me write a statement why I would want to join the instance (okay, you need to filter the bots, fair enough) so I wrote a nice little text to let them know. I guess I failed to write the keywords they were looking for, so they denied my application.
That told me all I needed to know about the mods.
I would have just closed the page the second they asked me to write an essay on why I deserve to be on their website, lol.
Eh, lemmynsfw.com has a similar sign up for. The difference is that they accepted the reason “this is my porn account”
Honestly you could say because you like to talk about tacos and it would get approved most of the time. We have that turned on because otherwise we’ll get 60k spam users overnight. Email verification costs money especially if you’re being spammed with 60k requests and the statement box stops all of it.
Same here. I wrote a statement saying why I wanted to join. They had a community there that no one else had at the time, so I mentioned how I wanted to participate in the community there.
Got denied like 2 weeks later, but it was during that time they defederated from lemmy.world. At that point I knew I was wasting my time waiting to see if I’d get accepted or denied.
Lemmy.world hasn’t defederated with beehaw, as far as I know. Beehaw has been down for a little following the lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works compromise to patch their software; that may be why you’re not seeing beehaw content if you haven’t been.
I think it’s worth mentioning the amount of instances full of bots as well. I just started hosting my own instance and decided to check other instances’ block lists to defederate from at least some bot instances. I now have about 50 blocked instances. (instances with 60k or so users each with no posts)
Whats in .jugler.jp and in burgit.moe? If even the nazis dont whant to have anything to do with them then they must be really bad.
