Notify me if they can keep it running economically and without hidden costs.
Depends. Right now it isnt really that impressive. Bit questionable to build new nuclear power imho.
Just given that other power sources are so much cheaper.
Then there is also the controversy of explicit and implicit subsidies. For instance here: https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/2019-09/nuclear_subsidies_summary.pdf
a report that shows historically the subsidies were enormous. Right now it seems a bit tricky to estimate - but I haven’t read the report in detail.
Edit: sorry wanted to answer @qooqie
Cheaper because it’s being subsidised and supported by gas peaker plants. If renewables had to deliver guaranteed capacity (and not just “yeah, I might deliver some power and some point and when I do, you better be able to receive it”) the real price would show. As it happens, grid operators can accept it because we’ve still got a grid full of steerable generation (mainly gas and nuclear) that they can turn off. Once it’s renewables all the way down, what are we going to do on the many periods where we don’t have wind for days? Storage?! Puhlese, the scale of the requirement is a magnitude higher than we could ever hope to store.
In the end, renewables will be shitloads cheaper if we maintain some steerable demand. I’d rather that be nuclear.
It’s best if we don’t think like a fanboy - but instead have a realistic debate about the price of integration nuclear at high penetration. The total mix price will be a lot cheaper if we maintain 20% steerable.
The science is pretty clear on this.
steerable demand. I’d rather that be nuclear.
Not going to happen. That’s not how nuclear works.
I think that is a relevant point. But if solar capacity is that much cheaper you can just build much more of it and still offset thenprice.
Germany had >80% renewables for many days this year
Are you suggesting nuclear is steerable? Because afaik it is not.
I don’t see an alternative to 100% renewable + higher capacity to offset storage inefficiency. France is trying it, but it is super costly and unreliable.
Have you got a nice big valley with an existing water flow to donate or sell to a new hydro plant?
Hydro is absolutely great (if you ignore local ecosystem ecological damage) but it has very significant land use requirements. These can make it difficult to build practically once you have most of the good spots filled in, so it’s incredibly difficult to price new builds of it. Some areas may be infinite cost because the land topology simply doesn’t exist. Others may have the perfect site and be relatively cheap.
Not at all, but long term storage of exhausted nuclear rods still costs an unknown amount of money endless centuries into the future. So you can’t really put a number on the final bill.
Eh we’ll just dump em into the Sun someday if we start running out of space here on earth.
My favorite about your account is the triad of posting in a thread about nuclear energy, then saying “I believe they should be tortured even more” on a different topic and then stating “This places becomes more reddit each day.”.
Babe, this place was fine before you came here bringing all that reddit energy. You know, when wherever you go, you meet idiots, maybe you are the idiot. Keep winning boy.
Hope it’s not leaking like all their other fucking nuclear reactors
What’s “4th generation”? Is it a whole new process or did they just make the previous stuff more efficient?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BEIJING, Dec 6 (Reuters) - (This Dec. 6 story has been corrected to change the timing and reason for NuScale’s plant termination in paragraph 5)
China has started commercial operations at a new generation nuclear reactor that is the first of its kind in the world, state media said on Wednesday.
Compared with previous reactors, the fourth generation Shidaowan plant in China’s northern Shandong province is designed to use fuel more efficiently and improve its economics, safety and environmental footprint as China turns to nuclear power to try to meet carbon emissions goals.
Xinhua news agency also said the 200 megawatt (MW) high-temperature, gas-cooled reactor (HTGCR) plant developed jointly by state-run utility Huaneng, Tsinghua University and China National Nuclear Corporation, uses a modular design.
Proponents say they can operate in remote locations and power traditionally hard-to-abate heavy industry sectors, but critics say they are too expensive.
China has also not signed a pledge by 20 countries at the COP28 climate conference taking place in Dubai to triple nuclear power capacity by 2050.
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I know China is mostly going green because they don’t have that much oil compared to other minerals, but it’s still very nice to see all these advantages they to in renewable energy.
Both solar and nuclear.
