Both sides ARE bad. The trick is to use critical thinking and realize that one side is “stupid and misguided” bad and the other is “literal nazi, genocide against minorities, and also very stupid” bad.
Both sides are currently supporting genocide right now.
You might want to fix that.
That’s begging the question in the traditional sense of the term in formal logic. First of all you have to establish that it is in fact a genocide. While what the IDF is doing probably counts as war crimes, I have yet to see a convincing case that it’s genocide in a legal sense. We’ll see. I’m more than willing to change my mind in light of new evidence or a stronger argument than I have seen thus far.
Ok so you don’t consider what they are doing genocidal actions.
Forcing people out of their homes, cutting off all electricity, food, and water while having them in a complete barricade and shutting down or extremely limiting aid, while destroying 80% of housing is Genocide.
If you feel the need to try and hide behind obfuscation then you do you but I can call a spade a spade.
From Oxford, the traditional dictionary:
gen·o·cide
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
What part of that is Israel not doing?
Or we can go with the legal definition from the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide linked from https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml.
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- (a) Killing members of the group;
- (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The only one in question is the last point, but any single one of those points means it’s a genocide.
Almost everyone with national level political power do. An open letter from House democrats to the White House urging them to work towards a ceasefire agreement had TWELVE signatures. Out of 212. And one of the 12 even tried to quietly remove her signature from it without the public noticing.
They may not hate Palestine, but they sure as hell don’t care enough about Palestinian lives to not support the fascist Israeli government and its genocide.
“The son of YOUR president took a single bribe and showed his ding dong on the internet, my president rapes women, lies about his finances, commits fraud and incites an insurrection! See both side are bad!”
I find it interesting that the hamas Israel conflict has become such a political issue. Support of Israel in general, yeah religiously charged. But Hamas did start the attack and do a ton of fucked up stuff. SO many hostages including Americans. Israel is an oppressive government and from a distance seems systemically racist not just overly defensive. I just feel like this is a more nuanced issue
I just think it’s worth noting that Hamas does call for the destruction of Israel. You can’t discount one set of lost lives for another. The only real victims here are non-Hamas Palestinians
Hunter has done a lot more worse than that. Nice on you picking and choosing his weakness offences.
Both sides are bad the same way that day-past-expiration milk and arsenic are both yucky
Great way of putting it. Also, your username made me almost spit out my coffee lmao
Both are bad though one is worse but both are shit
I typed out a like 6 paragraph explanation of why it’s both of their faults that this is happening. Suffice to say that this is just the latest iteration of a fight that’s been going on for a very VERY long time. At times the Palestinians were in control and horrible, and now the Jews are returning the favor. These two assholes have done nothing but make it worse every time they got a chance to make it better.
That’s why I literally don’t care what happens to either. They are both horrible and I’m a poor person on the other side of the world. Even IF I cared. I lack the money and resources to do anything about it, and debating with people on the internet about things that we can’t change and don’t fully understand is a modern day Sisyphean task.
Edit: wait are we talking US politics? In that case both sides do suck. But one is trying to kill trans and gay people and I can’t support that. So, Biden it is.
I also thought it was about Israël and Palestine. You are absolutely right, also the 3 noes didn’t help. For anyone that doesn’t know
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution
At some point the Arabic countries said
No peace with Israel, No negotiation with Israel, No recognition of Israel
This really didn’t help at all and basically made the conflict much worse to resolve.
Thanks for the link, I didn’t know that. There’s also the first “no” which was the Arabs saying no to the UN partition plan of mandatory Palestine.
It reminds me of the buzz on twitter last year about “how much land should Ukraine cede to Russia in exchange for peace” and the general concensus there was also “no”.
That’s why I literally don’t care what happens to either.
Tbh I respect your honesty much more than the cowards who share your opinion but try to stay on their moral high horse by saying “well akshually, both sides bad”. If you think Palestinians should get genocided, just say it. If you don’t care, just say it. If you do care, just say it.
MLK Jr. had a similar idea about the “moderate white”, and there’s a good Elie Wiesel quote in the same vein:
I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
Could you fill this in for me, please?
https://links.rocks/pictrs/image/93f268f2-d608-4e94-86a8-680cb8c9249c.jpeg
It doesn’t matter what I think the borders should be. I have no sway over that. Not only do I not have a dog in this fight. I don’t find it entertaining to debate it. I have read a nauseating amount of material about this subject. I have watched enough videos on this subject to be considered torture, and in the end. I can’t help but feel like both of these assholes are made for each other.
But like I said. My feelings mean absolutely nothing. Because I am just a random weirdo on the internet, just like you. Just like you, I don’t have the money or influence to bring peace to the Middle East. Just like you, I did what I felt was enough research and then made a decision. Just like you this conversation isn’t going to sway me. But more importantly. Just like you my feelings on the subject won’t change anything. Innocent people are going to die regardless of what we say. It’s a tragedy, but it’s true.
So, I guess what I’m saying is… Maybe we should agree to disagree.
The meme itself isn’t about U.S. politics( at least I don’t perceive it that way, I see it more general since I have seen this argument in a lot of situations while not being american), but the overwhelmingly american majority of users want to make it about a U.S. election.
Both sides is older than any of us. Enlightened centrism is a plague on intelligence
The problem isn’t that I want to be a centrist because I think it’s correct. It’s because this country is going to fucking shit with the deadlock on any kind of cooperation.
Constantly volleying for further extremes correct or not is why we can’t get a budget approved, why even with the ACA it got stripped to fucking Bits when the next presidency swung around.
The reality is you want to be bringing in more voters by being more palatable and not pushing them away by drawing a line in the sand for EVERY single issue. No I’m a better liberal! No I’m a better liberal look at me virtue signal.
It’s fucking exhausting.
