“There’s no posse and there’s no retinue and there’s no family,” says Chris Hayes on Trump’s arraignment. “The guy is alone. He is solo rolling with the lawyers who hope his checks clear.”
At this point an indictment of Trump in the US has reached the same level as mass shootings and our dying planet. Which indictment, mass shooting or catastrophic environmental disaster are we talking about? I’m numb and have lost track amongst the desperate hopes for change.
Exactly this. An arraignment of a former president has become a non-event. This is ideal for Trump, regardless of how MSNBC tries to spin it.
This is definitely some of it. Although being in DC probably also helps to tone things down. DC is a pretty blue town outside of the federal buildings.
I can picture a world where Trump’s fervent supporters would descend upon DC and cause at least a little turbulence.
What i find interesting is that somehow in developing countries justice was slow but eventually it arrived. I can think of places like Peru with Fujimori. Presidents got away for a while but eventually their own justice systems made them pay. I would be surprised if somehow justice didn’t prevail in this situation with Trump.
Justice has to prevail on some level if the US has any hope of protecting its democracy. This was a direct attack on the most fundamental parts of the country.
if the US has any hope of protecting its democracy.
I don’t think that’s a priority as far as our leaders are concerned. The facade of democracy is just getting in their way now.
Having 3, possible 4 indictments, some of it very damning, I’m convinced shit will happen. IF nothing happens out of 3 (4*) indictments, then I’d lose pretty much all hope at that point. I am at a point now where I have no yet lost all hope.
I am at a point now where I have no yet lost all hope.
I’ll save you a seat down here at rock bottom.
At this point I’ll take a slap on the wrist for Trump if he’s barred from running for Presidency. I just want all this to end and for the country to move on.
I’ve wanted this all to end since 2016, but this steamroller keeps on going. Barring him from holding office anywhere, should be given at a minimum. These indictments are very serious. If you’re a mathematician, then you know by just the numbers, Trump is fucked and he knows it.
Fucking traitor. Lock him the fuck up.
It’s never gonna happen. At most he’ll become bogged down in lawsuits and charges till he dies. But there’s no way they’ll ever allow a u.s president to set foot in jail
Hard disagree.
This stupid cuck is going to jail 100% if he does not win the next presidential election. Our legal system can be pretty fucked up sometimes but it’s not that fucked up, this guy literally tried to overthrow our democracy.
I’m not saying he’s not going to jail, but I am saying our system is absolutely fucked. This dude is free years after openly trying to overthrow our democratic processes. The most blatant example (Georgia) isn’t even one of the indictments he’s currently facing.
cuck
I hate this word so much because his supporters used it ad nauseum.
But I’m okay with it just this one time.
All the legal analysis I read has suggested house arrest because of the secret service for life deal.
I hope he does real time but I’m not optimistic.
I was told in my local pub yesterday that someone with a criminal record can still be president. But I’m British, and drink with people who chat shit. The landlord in said pub also said that Oceangate was eaten by a megalodon, and landlords like to chat shit.
Agreed the laptop should be plenty evidence how little they care
And the leaked call where they just used Ukraine to get more support? Actually disgusting
Lmao the sheer projection in bringing ukraine into this when Trump literally blackmailed them and broke the law to try to score political points. Straight up traitor
Oh no, the consequences of his own actions.
The fascists aren’t stupid. They see the writing on the wall so they’re moving on. Completely expected and even if Trump gets the death penalty the threat is by no means gone. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself.
Absolutely. I was talking to a friend the other day and he suggested hiring a hitman through crowdfunding to shoot Macron. I told him, Macron is just a symptom. This hydra has a bunch of other heads ready to sprout, you’ll get life for nothing
Never assume the enemy is stupid. That’s how you lose. If they were truly stupid they wouldn’t have gotten this far and wouldn’t even be a threat.
This is a major problem with the right wing, there is no principles or loyalty or anything. It’s not the major problem, it’s just one.
Additionally, a leader is just a tool used by a collective. The collective is in power, not the leader. Trump is no longer useful to them so he is being replaced, just like how a medieval king who fails to please his court of nobles is overthrown for a king that can.
Whether you can overthrow a leader simply depends on if you’re part of the collective they serve or not. The reason the general public can’t get rid of corrupt politicians or near universally hated people like Bezos or Elon, is because the collective that appoints them is not the public, but much like the medieval king, they only have to answer to a small group of modern day nobles (AKA the corporations, investors, and ultra rich in general).
It’s the ruling class, not the individual ruler, that calls the shots. Always. Because a single person can never enforce their rule alone, it requires a group that collectively has sufficient power to enforce their collective rule.
Beard has a great quote from her book SPQR
“If the assassination of Julius Caesar became a model for the effective removal of a tyrant, it was also a powerful reminder that getting rid of a tyrant did not necessarily dispose of tyranny.”
An analogy I like: If you have a toxic, dangerous plant in your garden, like the Gympie Gympie maybe, do you remove it by snipping off the leaf bud at the very top, or do you pull it out roots and all?
