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Andy Yen says draft safety standards ‘would force online services … to access, collect and read users’ private conversations’

What the hell Australia. This isn’t gonna magically help you prevent the next Emu war.

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But it will help them in their corruption and self-enrichment, which is the entire purpose of all attempts to erode civil liberties.

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Australia is a country with shit laws as someone who lives in Australia

Life is fine unless you somehow manage to break those stupid laws

For example there was that video of the one guy from Australia who wanted to ban anime, yeah some of our politician’s are that stupid

Thankfully anime isn’t banned completely but hentai is which I find stupid because it’s fictional drawings

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Hentai is NOT banned here in Australia. As an Australian I’m sure you knew that and had some reason to lie. The freaks who import DVDs and manga from Japan depicting minors are getting targeted by immigration, but it isn’t a general ban. But who cares about them? If they are looking for something too fucked up to be on the internet it’s probably pedophilia. Also I want you to know that every time I hear someone bring up that hentai is fictional and above criticism I assume they are an actual child molester.

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I’m not lying and I had no intent to lie, as my experience living in Australia all I’ve seen is that Australia has banned hentai

Your experience of living in Australia is very likely different to mine as we are not the same person

Im very well aware of the import ban: https://www.abf.gov.au/importing-exporting-and-manufacturing/prohibited-goods/list-of-items

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The emu are watching. Waiting. They cannot be stopped.

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Or Kangawars. Or Toadwars. Or Kangatoadwars becaue you know those bastards are gonna fuck and make a super beast death machine animal…thing.

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I’d watch the wheels off of “Kangatoadwars!”

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Closest we got was Tank Girl and…well…it’s Tank Girl. With ninjaroo’s and missile tits.

But yeah you could totally do a Jurassic Park/Planet of the Apes rewrite mashup and someone would watch it at least once.

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The spider turtles are coming

https://lemmy.world/post/9638269

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It’s worse then you think. As a Australian citizen you are required to comply with any order which includes leaking code and introducing back doors. Failure to comply or notifying your employer about the request will result in federal charges with a sentence between 20 to 60 years in prison. The legislation that contains this was passed almost a year ago.

Recently there’s been a wave of mass disruptions and data theft in Australia including most of our ports halting operations for a day and one of our largest phone and internet service providers being compromised where millions of peoples personal information like driver licences and passports being leaked.

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That’s a really fucking stupid law. Do we need to worry about Australia becoming fascist?

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50 points

You think that’s stupid? How about our leaders:

Laws of mathematics don’t apply here, says Australian PM

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I don’t want to believe this, my brain is refusing to process that statement, I have stared at that article in a state of disbelief for a minute. Surely someone can’t be that stupid, right?

I have heard plenty of brain dead arguments by anti-encryption people, but this is by far the stupidest. There is no way, there is just no way that he’s so… I want to say brain dead, but that would imply that there is even a brain there for it to be dead.

Regardless of political affiliation, or even the individual’s stance on encryption, surely there can’t be a single person that heard that statement and didn’t laugh at it, right?

Perhaps the Australian stereotype of being upside down holds some truth, considering his… utterance; he must walk on his hands and constantly get bit by snakes and attacked by drop bears on his daily commute, that’s the only explanation for how someone can make such a statement

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13 points

Too late. Already is.

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That’s a joke right? It has been for a very long time.

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25 points

How does that even work? When you push code for a back door it’s going to still go through a code review so it’s not exactly going to be secret, right?

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1 point

Yep and then you get fired but atleast you won’t go to jail

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7 points

20year minimum, really? Isnt that also for murder?

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117 points

I recently switched my email from gmail to proton mail, because fuck google’s… well… everything. Glad to hear that Proton Mail keeps fighting for privacy!

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I changed back when google got rid of the free “mail for your domain” and frankly its been a great thing for me. They keep announcing new things that replacing my existing apps.

They have a password manager now that I use. They are finally adding actual fuction to their online drive storage so I can sync files and backup photos.

Its been well worth the price for me. If only they had an office suite lol

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I really wish their password manager used a serif font, though. That’s pretty unacceptable if you’re generating secure passwords.

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Please don’t use serif fonts for UI elements. Imagine the buttons on your file manager being Times New Roman. (eww.) I think what you’re looking for is a monospaced font that’s designed to distinguish O/0, I/1/l, etc.

Plug for one of my favorite fonts: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/mono/

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4 points

Could you explain why them not using a serif font is bad?

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6 points

The only thing I haven’t found a good replacement for was how G Drive also handles Office style documents. I make use of that a lot, especially from my phone. But I agree, Proton Mail hasn’t been painful one bit.

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Seriously? My workplace uses google drive, and many documents are made with word. … A very common problem is that sometimes someone opens a word doc from the web interface of google drive - which automatically can conveniently opens it with google docs, which totally screws up the formatting and then autosaves it.

(I hate google, and I resent that even after I’ve removed all aspects of it from my home & personal usage, I still have to use it at work.)

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I wish I could integrate it with like onlyoffice or something like that. Would be perfect.

For now I have to be happy with saving to my documents folder and knowing its backed up.

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3 points

Dude, that email alias feature is the best thing about their password app! I’ve started using it all the time for services, new and old. Will make it easy as hell to find those selling my info.

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Yeah the email alias rock. Especially when I was car shopping recently.

Want my email? Sure, here you go. SPAM? BEGONE, FOREVER BEGONE!

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Proton’s feature set is very limited and kind of all over the place depending on platform, and development is incredibly slow, especially for Linux, but I do believe they’re committed to privacy and they do have a whole suite of products now under a single, very reasonably-priced subscription.

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It’s only slow for Linux because they can’t find Linux devs. If you know any, tell them to apply.

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I dont believe that for a second. It’s slow because, like most things Linux, almost nobody used it.

However, it is undoubtedly the most private and secure desktop OS.

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I use the web mail client and thunderbird client and it works fine. Protonvpn works fine in arch linux, there’s gui and cli, I prefer cli. Drive isn’t on linux yet but web client works wonderfully fast.

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What part of Proton’s feature set is limited and compared to what other service? You can do a whole lot more with proton than with Gmail for example.

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Couldn’t forward emails until about a month ago.

Their drive app backs up only the computer it’s on and other computers cant access that backup. It’s like a sectioned off part. Or I can upload files that any of my devices can access.

Their calendar has some problems with compatibility of run into and it’s things that the person on either side can’t change. Not world ending but it’s really annoying.

They literally just added the ability to automatically add holidays to the calendar. And of course I had set it up about a month prior so I manually entered everything.

The proton drive app for your phone doesn’t automatically back up anything.

I’m not shitting on proton because I’m an active proton unlimited subscriber and I use a bunch of their services, but I also recognize the flaws and how it’s not as seamless as Google yet, which I don’t expect it to be.

I also wish they had some better Linux support in preaching to the choir with that.

Love their vpn and the netshield features. Email works great and I love knowing I can read an email and automatically have trackers blocked. Aliases are great but I use their simple login site free with my proton subscription too. So my point is I like them lots, but it’s not a complete Google replacement yet.

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I mean…that’s a long list, my guy.

Gmail client, no, but I have my (work) Gmail connected to Shortwave, which honestly is a fucking Godsend for all the people who insist on continuing to use email. It just makes it so much easier to organize everything.

You can’t do the same thing with Proton (for good reason) but there’s no reason they can’t incorporate those features.

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To everyone saying they’ve changed to protonmail, check out https://simplelogin.io/ , owned by proton and free for all paying proton members. Unlimited email aliases so you can have a unique email per service. The apps also on fdroid.

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Why would I switch from Firefox relay that gives unlimited aliases at 1/4 of the price?

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10 points

You dont have to switch but if someone is paying for Proton than they can utilize it for no extra charge

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I didn’t try Proton’s solution, but free Relay was blocked at some services I tried to use it. It was so weirdly specific since no one really knows about them, so I guess some web admins has enough time on their hands to create a whitelist of all mail services they support, and moz.com wasn’t there.

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I’m just finishing up that transition myself and glad to hear I made a good choice!

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Same, using Proton mail and I am now blissfully Google free. Something else I found the holidays good for is finding out all the old accounts I have floating out there from sites that I interacted with over the years so I can cancel them or change the email if i decide to keep them. But, no more Google! Next on my list is Amazon.

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I’m in the (gradual) process of switching all my stuff from Gmail and Google to Proton mail. I really like the mail client and Proton Drive works better on my computers than Google Drive did, but Proton Drive doesn’t back up my phone yet and I wish they had an office suite like Google does. I don’t put anything important or private on Google docs, but it’s useful to be able to access my textbook notes from any of my computers. I haven’t used the password manager because I’m using Bitwarden, which I really like.

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They just released photo backups on android

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I want Proton Drive support on Linux.

It’s currently completely useless to me, unfortunately.

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I missed that update! This is great news!

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In the same boat. I currently just forward everything from gmail to ProtonMail and am gradually changing my contact email one at a time. It dawned on me that I receive mails from services I don’t give a damn about, so maybe I should not change those.

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Protonmail isn’t great, their deliberately misleading about the encryption. Many consider protonmail to be a honeypot.

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5 points

Do you have anymore background on that?

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https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/

https://cldc.org/does-protonmail-snitch/

In addition protonmail do not protect your metadata (from memory), it’s not encrypted in transit.

Protonmail also keep your public and private keys on their servers, it’s PGP however they don’t want the end users to have to manage their own keys. That to me isn’t ideal.

Receiving from another provider you’ll get TLS encryption until it hits protonmail servers but protonmail will then decrypt your email and again encrypt your email using your PGP stored on their servers.

Sending an email from proton to another provider will be encrypted on protonmail servers but that’s where it ends. TLS will take care of the in-transit and again may not be stored securely on the receiving end.

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He wrote their instead of they’re, make your judgement.

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Well god damn it! Did you have any links to articles about it? Also what would you view to be better then proton.me?

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Tuta (in my eyes) is a step in the right direction, using a client like thunderbird or enigmail and managing PGP yourself would be more secure as the message is decrypted by the recipient and not a company owned server.

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The eSafety commissioner, Julie Inman Grant, has proposed cloud and messaging service providers should detect and remove known child abuse material and pro-terror material “where technically feasible” – as well as disrupt and deter new material of that nature.

The eSafety regulator has stressed in an associated discussion paper it “does not advocate building in weaknesses or back doors to undermine privacy and security on end-to-end encrypted services”.

I so love these magic wand-waving legislators. “Spy on your users and control what they do on your encrypted platform, but in a way that doesn’t break encryption or violate privacy…”

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We need a robust democracy with strong regulation, not a lack of structure in our society.

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Debatable

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Yeah so we have a robust system of checks and balances, strong regulation and systemic processes to discourage corruption. For example, if you are in your role due to a public election or representing a public body and you are found to have taken bribes you have to serve 20 years in prison and lose all entitlements associated with your office including pensions.

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