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No, you love the creators you watch. Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder. I use newpipe, i never see ads but if i have a creator i want to support i send them money as direct as possible without middlemen (direct donations during livestreams for example). i pay the creator for their work. If google wouldn’t violate my human dignity by shoving a camera up my ass 24/7 i might consider giving them money to run their servers but as long as they try to make me a product they won’t see money nor data from me

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That’s a fair point, maybe I should look into using newpipe and use what was my monthly payment as a direct donation to my favorite creators instead. Thanks for the informative reply!

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yeah I would say block ads, and then whatever u would normally spend on premium, donate to your favorite creators

the creatora only get 55% (which isn’t bad all things considered) of the ad/premium revenue. by donating directly u spend the same but they get more

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But to be fair, if YouTube themselves don’t make anything then the service that hosts my content creators isn’t sustainable. So just getting premium feels like the most moral option all things considered, at least for me.

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If they have a patreon, that would be the best way short of putting the money directly in their hands.

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No, you love the creators you watch.

And Youtube makes that possible. Show me another service that is as good as Youtube is? Unlimited uploads for everyone, extremely fast constant delivery network. Require no logins or accounts to access the site. 4K video etc… etc… All for the low price of free with ads, or pay for no adds. They every are even one of the best at paying content creators. There is a reason almost every content creator ends up having some kind of account on Youtube.

Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder.

I don’t believe Google is in the business of selling data. There business is ad delivery. They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.

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Google absolutely is in the business of selling user data, through their ad network. AdSense customers use that data to target ads. It’s their whole business model. Just because they aren’t being given a database with all that data doesn’t mean they aren’t paying for access to it.

Facebook operates the same way.

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They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.

I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them. It’s still crappy. It’s kinda unfair I think to outright say they don’t sell your data. You data is their core money maker. It’s just in a round about way. Sure maybe it doesn’t bother you, but in my opinion, the collection of data is the core problem with modern technology, not even just the internet. Data is extremely powerful and valuable.

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I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them.

Sure you can drill down to specific characteristics of people but as far as I am aware it is Google that actually handles the interactions/delivers the information. So I am not really sure what information a third party could gather about a specific person.

But yeah I totally agree data collection is a huge problem basically every tech company is doing it. One of the reason why I try and self host as much as possible. To truly solve the problem we need better privacy laws in place.

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If money could stop things from enshitifying, there would be very few shitty things on the planet.

If everybody on the planet subscribed to YouTube premium they would still become enshittified.

Even with 8 billion monthly subscriptions at $10 a month or more, Google would raise the prices and provide less service.

They would do whatever they have to do whatever they can do to extract the most amount of money they possibly can out of the product.

This is not just because Google is a shit company, this is because greed knows no bounds. The only way for a company to stop being enshitified is for the company from the top down to be radically opposed to enshittification.

Only a good King can stop enshittification.

There are no good Kings in Google.

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I know. Late stage capitalism is much more of a negative than a positive.

But I did say slow enshitification. Slow =/= Stop.

Enshitification:

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You could say I’m a master…

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The number within your circle has an absolute value of |2|, and |2| is a positive number! 😎

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Whoosh moment… but I see what you did there - and I for one, like it!:-P

Though tbf, I must be insane, b/c I legit just watch the ads. Okay so not watch watch them, or listen either tbh, but let them play out I mean… I watch fewer than one YT video per day, most often per week even, or sometimes per month, so that is just easier for me than anything else, and it feels good to know that I am supporting the content creators that way, which iirc YT does at least a halfway decent job of? (or I could be misremembering that, but I thought like not the best yet not the worst either, more solidly in the middle, median-wise if not average?) Like, it is literally the least I can offer:-D.

Unless I want to listen to music, in which case I just turn on blocking of the ads - I guess I am not all that perfect (or bat-shit insane - ain’t nobody got time for dat!):-P.

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I just think I’m irritated with watching ads enough to pay to not need to. I also think I watch multiple YouTube videos nearly everyday, so I just consider it paying $0.05 to skip the ad automatically and still support the company and creators both.

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Sorry, but I’ll pay for it when they stop spying on everything I do. And worse, is that they make it intentionally bad when you turn off suggestions.

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Yea, just install an extension, it’s like four clicks

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Really, every youtuber complains that ad revenue isn’t great. If you want to support a content creator, drop a few coins their way

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I don’t get a single ad when I browse YouTube via Opera, both on android and desktop. No addons needed.

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Opera is chromium-based so I’m not sure how the new google direction will affect them

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90% of my usage is on Mobile and through my Roku TV which both use specific apps to view YouTube. That’s my problem.

I can use revanced to change the app on my phone, or download another app like NewPipe and that would work for a bit. But the hoops I’m referring to are when the apps get banned and need to be updated to work again, AND the hoops I feel I’d need to go to for an ad blocker at the router level so my Roku TV won’t show ads through YouTube. (Though I should probably look into that anyway to get rid of ads on my TVs home screen).

It just feels like a hassle to me, and I’m paying $8/mo as a student anyway so it’s pretty cheap too.

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What you need Google to spoon feed you and wipe your ass too?

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“Okay Google, initiate ass wiping”

Then we’d truly be living like Kings.

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On your tv. Go to settings, apps, see all apps, android tv home, then uninstall updates. Go to Google play store, your username icon, settings and disable auto-update apps. It’ll remove the crap at the top.

To remove specific things from the home screen, scroll down to the one you want to remove. Then hit the little circled minus button.
You can also install custom launchers if you really wanted to.

If you care, you can also “uninstall” uninstallable apps with adb. And there’s a program called adb app control(I think that’s the name) that’ll let you easily remove them. They also have an called adb tv: app manager on the playstore. You need to enable adb debugging. But the app tells you what to do. Just don’t uninstall anything you don’t recognise. There’ll be a lot of things that are really important.

As a signing off gift, smarttube is like revamced but for your tv. Find their github, download it, put it on your tv, either woth a USB or I use an app called send files to tv.

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Thanks for the guide, but these are exactly the type of hoops I was talking about needing to jump through. Still, if and when I get a Google smart TV maybe I’ll do this but I have a Roku.

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