At least 1,201 people were killed in 2022 by law enforcement officers, about 100 deaths a month, according to Mapping Police Violence, a nonprofit research group that tracks police killings. ProPublica examined the 101 deaths that occurred in June 2022, a time frame chosen because enough time had elapsed that investigations could reasonably be expected to have concluded. The cases involved 131 law enforcement agencies in 34 states.

In 79 of those deaths, ProPublica confirmed that body-worn camera video exists. But more than a year later, authorities or victims’ families had released the footage of only 33 incidents.

Philadelphia signed a $12.5 million contract in 2017 to equip its entire police force with cameras. Since then, at least 27 people have been killed by Philadelphia police, according to Mapping Police Violence, but in only two cases has body-camera video been released to the public.

ProPublica’s review shows that withholding body-worn camera footage from the public has become so entrenched in some cities that even pleas from victims’ families don’t serve to shake the video loose.

Wonder why that is…

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…most of the footage is kept from public view

Well yeah, unedited video footage has this odd tendency to exonerate the innocent and impugn the guilty

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Abolish police.

There’s no “reforming” a system that was BUILT this way.

I don’t want to hear it. Find another place to lick boots.

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You say it’s boot licking to question you, which in itself is fucking retarded.

But I want to hear your plan.

Say we abolish the police - what next?

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The watering down of “Defund the Police” for more palatable public consumption was a travesty.

“Oh no, we’re reasonable! We just want the police to have access to more training and better tools to engage with the public!”

No, we wanted them gone, from the ground up.

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Here the police are viewed as the proverbial ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. Every dollar spent on them is evidence of a failure somewhere else in the system.

We still don’t want to remove them though, they still provide that important safety net; any complex system is likely to have errors at some point.

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It definitely showed just how powerful and overwhelming copaganda is. “Defund the Police” really struck a nerve with the people who hold the power in US society, I think we should keep striking that nerve.

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The system in the USA is built this way. There are countries in the world where police officers act professionally and can be trusted.

We don’t want a lawless, free for all place without any law enforcement, we deserve a proper force, trained to behave in a professional manner, and monitored to do so.

You could describe the deep reform needed as “abolish and then build from the ground”, but that’s a matter of how to reach the goal, rather than a change in the goal itself’.

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We could start by making the people who are issued government firearms and the ability to stop whoever they want conform to higher standards than random schmucks in the population. We don’t need lower standards when lives and livelihoods are on the line.

Gee I wonder who is out there that will recklessly give excess power to sketchy characters as long as they believe that person will only hurt the “other” people.

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There is no such thing as reforming the Police. They are an evil collective of people.

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I disagree. Just saw a video on krudplug of a cop shooting a guy right before he can cut up a lady with a butcher knife.

There are crazy, dangerous people in the world. If you can’t fight and you don’t own a gun, you are at the mercy of others to protect you.

I think it’s sad how the vast majority of people who are anti-cop cannot fight and do not own guns. Did they see what happened in CHAZ?

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What if I’m physically disabled? Which literally everyone is, in relation to a stronger individual or group (and there’s literally always someone/something bigger than you)… Does that mean I don’t have the “right” to be anti-murder, even if the murderer is someone with a badge?

Or maybe there’s a sliding scale, with how much of a position of principle that I’m allowed hold correlating proportionally to how much I can bench or how quickly I can subdue an opponent?

That sounds pretty fascist.

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Does that mean I don’t have the “right” to be anti-murder

I’m not going to take your bad-faith arguments seriously. Goodbye.

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Just saw a video on

Is this the video you saw?

There are crazy, dangerous people in the world.

Yes. And they become a whole lot more dangerous once they get a badge.

No, Clyde… there is no such thing as a “good” cop.

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Okay. Call up your friend who can’t fight and doesn’t own a gun to protect you when someone wants something you have.

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The reasoning you just used was in the form of an anecdote, which undermines your whole point. Anecdotal thinking is one of the most common ways that humans arrive at irrational conclusions.

Why should you care? Well, if you believe what you stated, then you should want other people to believe it too. In order to do this the first step is to learn how to present it without any of the common logical flaws humans are born with.

Your argument pattern is, “Event X happened and I saw it, therefore Y”. No. You need a much larger sample size to make a point. I can’t teach you rational argument in one post, but hopefully you’ll become curious enough to learn. Have a nice day.

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There are crazy, dangerous people in the world. If you can’t fight and you don’t own a gun, you are at the mercy of others to protect you.

Nothing about this is anecdotal.

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Yet most of the negative sentiment on cops comes from anecdotes. And of course now we have the Internet so now there’s availability bias of all of the extreme cases that go viral. When a study asked how many unarmed blacks were killed by police each year most left leaning were wrong by an order of magnitude.

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…isn’t there a way to legally request any video footage? That’s how all those body-cam yt channels get their footage from, by placing requests in. I thought it was a federal law that you can obtain any police cam video.

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Depends on your location. Washington has some of the best public records laws in the country. SPD releases all body cam footage when their officers kill someone. Unfortunately it’s deceptively edited and when you request the full footage it takes about 2 years where they tell you every month they’re delaying because of Covid or something.

Police will hide as long as possible and destroy evidence when they can get away with it. SPD has been sued for deleting vehicle footage after public records requests for the footage. Now they just edit the footage to look like there’s nothing to see and hope no one requests the full videos.

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Yes you can request the footage, and they can also bury you in red tape until you give up the request.

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So many yt channels gotta be buried. Kinda hard to understand why creators would keep doing that, right?

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Because the footage those auditors have are just 1st amendment other rights violations.

There are worst things the police want buried.

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Pretty sure that’s USA’s Freedom of information Act.

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