Fucking thank you! I read so much bullshit about this group or that one saying they’re not gonna support Biden because of whatever, it makes me want to scream
A lot of those people and the enlightened centrists who say “both parties are the same” are disinformation warriors and Russian bots designed to erode support for Biden. Even just 1% or 2% can make a difference in some battleground states.
Or maybe people plugging their ears and pretending everything is some giant misinformation campaign against their home team because they think they deserve the win without trying are being shocked to find they don’t have the support they think is owed to them for simply not being fascists.
If everything you hear is just some fake person with no real problems you miss the people actually complaining about their legitimate ones and feel forgotten about and at best don’t vote and at worst vote for the side that agrees that it would be fun to pick on the people perceived as above them.
Biden should at least run debates or else people are just going to be in exactly their own bubble of awareness and have his results of his presidency to work with and hopes and dreams of the other and people suck at objective looks at reality and are much more willing to believe in fairy tales than you think.
And I know my statement makes everyone foam at theouth cause “How dare I say this!” But it is what it is. You must look reality in the face of you want to have any hope controlling it.
Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions. If you want change, find local elections with candidates you agree with. Their campaigns typically pay well, in my experience, or you can volunteer if the pay doesn’t matter to you. It’s more fruitful than throwing your hands in the air and shouting about disenfranchisement.
It really depends on what fields you’re comparing. For example, in terms of climate change, both parties, policies will result in the destruction of the planet. Period.
When people say that, they’re saying we need radical change to stop the problems right in front of us, and neither party is doing that.
Ok so you DEFINITELY don’t know what you’re talking about then. Climate change is one of the issues that they’re furthest apart on. One has repeatedly made efforts to work with the international community to expand green energy and reduce emissions, and the other believes it’s a lie and wants to double down on fossil fuel production and consumption. Just because it’s not the immediate, drastic, quasi-legal action that you’d like to see, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
If Biden wants those groups to stop being detractors, there is a very easy solution - simply hold a primary for DNC president, and let them cast their “other” vote there. Then Dems can galvanize support for the winning candidate in ‘24.
Unfortunately they know this won’t work due to how massively unpopular Biden is, and so they refuse. So, the problem is that DNC doesn’t want a democratically elected president, they want to try to force a genocidal dinosaur down our throats and somehow at the same time claim that the end of democracy is voting for the other guy. It’s a lose-lose for America - thanks, Biden.
Yeah, Biden doesn’t have to support genocide. He can do the right thing. He just chooses not to.
Precisely. The claims of at least trying to protect civilian lives might be believable if the US wasn’t blocking every single effort at the UN to send in peacekeepers to stop the genocide. Or, you know, not approving $14Bn more taxpayer dollars to go towards sending them even more bombs to drop.
Biden’s lies to provide cover for Israel’s war crimes are boldfaced, undeniable, and disgustingly cowardly.
Biden has to earn my vote, just like every other candidate. If you want me to vote for Biden, convince me. What do you like about his platform? Can you convince me to vote for Biden without bringing up Trump?
Can you convince me to vote for Biden without bringing up Trump?
What would be the point in that when Trump is the only other candidate who has a chance of winning? The rational thing to do is to compare and contrast them.
If you’re not going to vote for either of them, you might as well not vote at all. You’re not going to have an effect. Decades of people voting third party have not gotten any third party anywhere. Not even when Ross Perot tried it and he actually had a decent chance.
That doesn’t make any sense. You’re basically saying that you refuse to look at a suite of potential consequences of your vote. That’s not responsible at all.
How about the candidate who will hold Isreal accountable. Which one is that?
i naively believed the other lemming’s statement but Cornel West’s running. if Jill Stein wins her party’s primary, that’ll be two candidates with a history of condemning Israel’s war on palestinians, both having described that state’s actions as genocidal
And a vote for either is a vote for Trump. But if you want to bury your head in the sand and condemn the country to oblivion on principle, well hey, it’s a free country for the next 12 months.
nope, a vote for some candidate is a vote for that candidate. i’m not burying my head in the sand because i’m not an american voter. i’m a foreigner that’s been a victim of lying imperialist presidents from the bullshit land of the free fairyland for a long freaking time
you claim the US to be a free country for at least the next 12 months, and i think you have your head in the sand. just because i think Trump is way worse than Biden doesn’t mean i don’t know for a fact that he’s really bad
i came here because @dojan@lemmy.world falsely claimed that no one else is on the table
I hate that I agree with someone as obnoxious as Jeff “swear words are hilarious” Tiedrich
I feel like his posts are usually just lukewarm takes on topics that many other people have already articulated (obviously with fewer f bombs). I rarely see him post anything that actually adds anything to the discourse. People have pointed out the ridiculousness of the “bOtH sIdEs” mindset plenty of times for a long time.
If this tweet had been in response to something specific it would be fine, but with no meaningful context it’s just Jeff Tiedrich once again shouting “holy fucking shit [insert extremely common left wing opinion here] fuckity fuck” to his echo chamber of a follower list.
A giant douche or a turd sandwich, who will you choose?
edit: it’s a south park reference people, chill. It’s just recognizing that both candidates are shitty. Obviously in this case one is far worse than the other, and it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote… fucking vote
I always hated that episode. A giant douche is functional and useful. A turd sandwich will literally make you sick.
I think you’re overthinking it. I just think it’s funny how relevant it always seems to be every election
But that’s my point, it’s not relevant. It’s a bOtH SiDeS sAmE enlightened centrist platitude that’s just meant to ride the fence to avoid pissing anyone off. “Haha, both the candidates suck, I don’t want to vote for either.” That’s neither insightful nor entertaining. There are real differences between the candidates, the parties, and the various sides of an issue, and pretending it doesn’t matter is part of why the world is a fucking mess.
