I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.

40 points

“Owning a car gives you freedom” is a big one considering how expensive they are and that most people just use them to sit in traffic jams on their commute 90%+ of the time they are using them.

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And depending on your car make, model, and year, there is constant surveillance/data collecting negating the owners “freedom”.

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As part of a couple that just got knocked down to one vehicle instead of two, due to a wreck, I wholly disagree with your statement. Take a kid to friends house? Lol. Nope. Pick up a loaf of bread or grocery store? Negative. Park for a walk? Sorry. Get to work? Better start walking down the highway.

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Your whole environment is designed that way because cars need so much space. If you lived in a walkable European city all of that wouldn’t be a problem.

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4 points

Mind giving an example of such a city? Not like I’d be able to move now, but one never knows.

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If my grandma had wheels she’d be a wagon.

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Well living in the US is my reality, and there’s two cities in my state that have walkable areas, and if you want to live in the somewhat safer portions that are walkable in either of those cities it’s going to cost you literally twice as much to live there as anywhere else in the state.

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15 points

In this case the lie has been repeated so much and so loud that entire cities have been designed according to it.

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7 points

Park for a walk

Can’t you…just walk?

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2 points

I live in an area that is not safe for the kids (or adults) to walk. It’s a hilly windy area outside city limits of a smaller touristy place. Lotta state park area if you go at least 4 miles away, though.

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That’s all anecdotal. Everything in your list I can do without a car. Especially take a walk. I literally just walk out the front door.

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Wow. I didn’t realize the entire US population actually lived at your house that is in a safe to walk area near schools and shopping centers and grocery stores and where you work, all within a few miles.

Idiot

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It is context dependent.

Owning a car does give you freedom in rural settings where mass transit never existed before it was bought out and run into the ground by automotive companies. They were even fairly cheap for decades if you bought them used!

But yes, if you live and work somewhere with traffic jams then owning one instead of using and pushing for more mass transit is the opposite of freedom.

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I’m not even in a rural setting and the only way to get my dogs to the vet is via car. Getting a taxi to drive there is difficult when one of your dogs starts vomiting after the second turn.

That and getting to by family in a rural setting. 2 hours by car vs up to 8 by train. With two dogs. That won’t happen 😐

Besides that I don’t really need a car.

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10 points

Yeah my car gives me the freedom that people in some states and countries have without cars. I keep advocating for that freedom to be universal without cars because I hate having to have one to go out.

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19 points

That the 2020 election was stolen.

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Anyone that says J6 was a “peaceful protest” that “got out of hand”

We all saw the footage of that day. There were gallows and calls to hang a sitting vice president.

It was an insurrection, fomented and encouraged by Donald Trump’s speech and actions leading up to that day. Plain and simple.

The right-wingers who say it wasn’t as serious as it was are gaslighting their base.

Edit: Victims of gaslighting in my replies

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Sounds exactly like CNN’s headline “fiery but mostly peaceful protests after police shooting” after the George Floyd protests where like, 30 people died.

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How’s that exactly alike?

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One side lying doesn’t make the other side’s lie true, or justified, or anything else but a lie

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Exactly.

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34 points

Across the country? Damn that’s like less than a person per major city and I saw how brutally the police attacked protestors. If it hadn’t been mostly peaceful it’d’ve been in the hundreds dead.

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I get your /s but I don’t think anyone should be dying in a protest, regardless of how small that number is relatively speaking.

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Do you not think it’s relevant to point out that:

  • Only 3.7% of the protests involved vandalism or property damage
  • Only 2.3% of the protests involved any sort of violence (excluding vandalism or property damage)
  • Much of the violence was directed against the BLM protesters
  • Much of the violence was begun or escalated by police (who are supposed to be trained to de-escalate)
  • Much of the property damage and property damage was not linked to protesters

If 5% of the people involved at violent BLM protests were violent and if the numbers above reflected only protester initiated violence, then that would mean roughly 0.12% of BLM protesters (or 1 in a thousand) were violent. But since, as we know, most of the violence was directed against them, that number is probably more like 0.05%, or 5 in 10,000. Obviously that number would be much worse for the actual instigators of most of the violence (police and far-right Trump supporters).

Main source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/

Also weird that you say “like 30 people” died when it was more like 10:

  • 8 BLM protesters
  • 1 far-right, pro-Trump protester, who was shot by a self-identified anti-fascist protester who said he had been acting in self-defense
  • the above anti-fascist protester, who was shot by police

Yes, there were like 25 deaths related to political unrest in 2020, but most of those were not at BLM protests. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

But hey, keep telling yourself that an active, intentionally orchestrated attempt by Trump and his supporters to violently overturn the results of our Presidential election was “basically the same thing lol” as a bunch of people who were protesting police violence and racism.

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an active, intentionally orchestrated attempt by Trump and his supporters to violently overturn the results of our Presidential election was “basically the same thing lol” as a bunch of people who were protesting police violence and racism.

Yes, that’s exactly what I said. -_-

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It’s comments like this that make me glad Lemmy has a star that lets you favorite them. Thank you very much.

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2 points

You know what the word ‘mostly’ means, right?

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Conversely, anyone who says January 6th was a coup or anything approaching more then a wet fart. We should be so lucky that a fascist police state could be overthrown by 200 disorganized unarmed people walking into the capitol.

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107 points

Whether it was a successful coup is a separate matter.

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The problem wasn’t them getting anywhere near literally overthrowing the entire state, but the fact that they were trying/hoping to kill people.

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There’s so many levels on which it is deeply concerning. One is just on the face value. They actually did storm the capital, the security forces in place seemed ambivalent or perhaps actually complicit to some degree. Nevertheless, numerous people were injured or died.

And then there’s everything about the precedent it sets for next time, the excuses and defenses being made of it, and the ways in which those sympathetic to it may prepare to execute on the same idea again in the future, perhaps learning from prior lessons, and perhaps confident that they won’t face any legal exposure.

It’s a horrifying idea to have been allowed to take root in the form of real physical actions, which are then carried forward in culture to set the stage for future actions.

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26 points

200? What planet do you live on? Watch a video of it. Read the January 6th Commission report.

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On the day it happend I watched the videos being shared by the people participating amongst each other. There were tremendously more than 200 people.

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We should be so lucky that a fascist police state could be overthrown by 200 disorganized unarmed people walking into the capitol.

It wasn’t just 200 disorganised unarmed people, it was 200 partially-organised partially-armed people with explicit support from the sitting president trying to disturb the proceedings, so the president could carry out his plan to use “alternate electors”.

Why do people like you always act like the republicans weren’t hoping to capitalise on what happened?

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Are you trying to illustrate the point?

It wasn’t 200, it was 2000.

And while most did not carry guns, they brought other weapons and armor, and used improvised devices as weapons. And some did bring guns. Source: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/28/politics/armed-insurrection-january-6-guns-fact-check/index.html

Thank God they were poorly organized and that the capitol police resisted…but it’s a complete lie to say it was 200 unarmed people.

This is all on video! This isn’t a matter of opinion!

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Maybe because it started affecting them?

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7 points

Lolwut?

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You can’t be serious.

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Funded by the EV industry

EV industry: 1 billion in annual revenue
Oil industry: 5 trillion in annual revenue

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25 points

Depending on where you live, how has home insurance gone in the last 10 years? Trust the money.

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In addition to the money, the military, too. I suppose that the climate conspiracy theorists will just expand the imagined scope of the theory to say that the money people are in on the scam to extract wealth from the rest of us, and that Pentagon is in on it for, I dunno, reasons? (Seems like it already does okay on funding.)

As well as the oil companies themselves, somehow? I’d be interested to hear how they benefit from putting forth climate change lies in their internal memos, just to spend a lot of money suppressing the same information in public.

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3 points

You’re right, follow the money. My homeowner’s rate doubled this year, but at least my insurance co. didn’t pull out of my state. They know we are seeing climate change.

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52 points

Oh so close! It looks like you fell for The Big Lie™️

The answer we were looking for is - Oil companies spending decades telling everyone fossil fuels didn’t cause destruction of our environment and climate!

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If only there was decades of peer reviewed scientific research, from countless reputable independent sources, that countlessly pressure tested each other’s work and overwhelmingly showed that man made climate was real.

Until that’s the case, I guess I’ll just listen to what the oil companies say. They probably know best.

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Where have you been this last few years? Do you live on another planet? Are you really so out of touch with reality? I hope at least you have an economic interest in this, because otherwise you are really pathetic.

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29 points

Recently, eh?

You consider the 1800’s recent? Because there were news articles reporting on the issue back then.

Here’s an article from 1896 for you to read over, provided you care about learning how you’re wrong.

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1 point

Is Al gore recent? What about George H.W. Bush’s first presidential campaign?

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8 points

The smoothest of brains. Thoughts just cascade off it.

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137 points

“brexit will bring in more trade! brexit will provide 350 million to the NHS!”

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On a related note the whole notion extremely prevalent in the UK that all they have to do is decide they want to rejoin and it will happen. No matter which side of that a commentator is on, they almost never mention that they need to present something the EU27 actually want and convince them that the UK is not the ‘break international agreements’ kind of country any more. Overall the British still all seem to think that they are something better than everyone else and others have to do what they want and have no real agency.

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37 points

You could call it a colonial mindset. Wonder where that way have come from.

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31 points

The thing I loved about that lie is even as a 20 something who’d never been to that hemisphere I knew it was a lie because weren’t these the people trying to kill the NHS

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The idea that they could leave and somehow get better trade deals, especially with European countries. The EU is the deal! It’s a trade agreement that favors the participants, how could they ever get a better deal?? What’s baffling is that a lot of older people voted for it and they can actually remember when the UK joined the EU. That means they realize that the UK joined for the deal but somehow that’s worth nothing.

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A lot of those older people are racist and blame foreigners for literally every problem, and continuously vote against themselves

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