This argument would only make sense if you don’t need food to work and that no one would buy food… Nither is a thing. Also you don’t just produce food to feed people, many food products are a thing because they taste good, they are not very efficiently nutritious, so good tasting food is a thing impossible for communism as it would “waste resources”
Yes, tasty food exist because people make money selling it or the spices you need to make it…
It’s not an argument. It’s what happens. When people don’t purchase all of the food that places are selling, it ends up in dumpsters rather than going to hungry people. Go to any chain restaurant place that sells baked goods and check their dumpster at night.
The fact that its going to the dumbster is obviously not good, that’s something that is changing, here where i live many stores gift it to “stores” that “sell” it for a symbolic price.
Thats however absolutely not the point of the “meme” or what i said.
I’m fine with this. What say you?
Didn’t expect That response now did ya?
- Yes i did expect some commie to show up and say something like that.
- Wtf is meant with “what say you?”
- Yeah because you never experienced how soulless and lifeless the food of a commie country tastes. Try cooking without spices for a week. And spices are by far not the only stuff that is nonexistent in commieland.
What are you talking about? Vietnamese food is delicious. So is Cuban food. There’s a reason why there’s a ton of Vietnamese Pho and Cuban food restaurants in the U.S.
I used to live in the San Fernando Valley in L.A. and there was a Cuban bakery in Burbank, which was probably the most popular bakery in the Valley. Huge lines. My wife once waited two hours to get me a tres leches cake for my birthday.
So, again, what are you talking about?
How do the robots own the means of production?
This is just capitalism with slave labor you don’t have to feel bad about.
slavery is (by definition) an ownership of a person. Robots are not people nor beings with intelligence.
There are serious ethical problems with a capitalist system, especially when it comes to the necessities of life, but there’s also ample evidence that other economic systems in practice have been just as bad of not worse regarding food security, eg follow the history of the USSR from the Holodomor in the 1930s to empty grocery shelves and bread lines in the 1980s
I cannot comment on communism as there has not been a true communism in the world yet, but dictatorships sure have been bad.
No system be it either communism or capitalism can be applied 100%
If we compare today’s capitalism it’s only fair that we compare it to real world application of communism.
As a Pole that was raised in a country freshly out of this system I can only tell you that you would have to be mentally insane to ever consider communism and expect it to work even half as well is it should on paper.
Yes, as with all things it must be balanced. Also, I wish we could recognize that monopolies are not capitalism, it’s just cronyism and there’s no place for that. It’s the antithesis of capitalism and it plagues communism too. It’s just pure corruption.
But that’s not a “real world application of communism” in fact in reality the USSR never even claimed to actually be a communist society, they were just ruled by the communist party.
Communism has a specific definition, primarily its a post scarcity society, with no centralised government or monetary system. So any system that doesn’t meet that basic definition can’t be called communism.
Much like we don’t use places like the Democratic people’s Republic of Korea as an example of ehy democracy is bad, because its not actually a democracy, it doesn’t meet the basic definition of democracy.
You can argue its an example of socialism, but it would be more accurate to describe it as authoritarianism because without democracy a state owned system can’t really be called socialism.
Okay but like, at least understand why the shelves were empy. Behind the Bastards had a great podcast on the matter. Bad science is bad science, no matter how you trade.
What Lysenko did and the magnitude of it was enabled by and is inextricable from the Soviet systems of government and economy:
Lysenko’s success at encouraging farmers to return to working their lands impressed Stalin, who also approved of Lysenko’s peasant background, as Stalin claimed to stand with the proletariat. By the late 1920s, the USSR’s leaders had given their support to Lysenko. This support was a consequence, in part, of policies put in place by the Communist Party to rapidly promote members of the proletariat into leadership positions in agriculture, science and industry. Party officials were looking for promising candidates with backgrounds similar to Lysenko’s: born of a peasant family, without formal academic training or affiliations to the academic community. Due to close partnership between Stalin and Lysenko, Lysenko acquired an influence over genetics in the Soviet Union during the early and mid twentieth century. Lysenko eventually became the director of Genetics for the Academy of Sciences in 1940, which gave him even more control over genetics. He remained in the position for more than two decades, throughout the reigns of Stalin and Nikita Khruschchev, until he was relieved of his duties in 1965.
I view the problem as us treating a tool as a system of government. Capitalism is an incredibly powerful tool for increasing efficiency (real capitalism as in a healthy free market, not monopoly bullshit). But we should be using that tool to our benefit, not having that tool use us. We can use it as a tool without it being our basis of society. Also, capitalism is not self regulating. That’s a bullshit myth created by elite monopolists. Unchecked capitalism leads to monopolies and monopolies are the antithesis of capitalism. We used to know that. We used to bust monopolies. We need to learn when and when not to use capitalism. Certain things need to be monopolies. Like transportation and the power grid. Since healthy competition cannot prosper we cannot make them capitalistic. We already need to recognize that capitalism is a tool for us to use. It’s ok to break capitalism in special circumstances for the greater good, because the good of the people is more important than perpetuating capitalism. I think abolishing it leads to apathy and inefficiency, but worshipping it leads to inhumanity, and we’re not even worshipping it properly because again, monopolies are not capitalism. Like all things in life it’s about balance.
Yeah, the problems are just different. A mixed form would be ideal, where basic needs would be handled socially and the rest may compete in a capitalist way. The difficulty is where to draw the line exactly.
Under communism, food isn’t produced.
Under capitalism, food is wasted, food that burned a lot of fossil fuels to produce. Capitalism is destroying the biosphere.
That would be for 2021. Not sure if stats would be out for 2022 yet.
But why is Bobby blue
