What do you mean by safe?
By safe I mean about privacy, if there’s possibility that someone can “intercept” the photos of the child. Sorry if I didn’t explain it well
Interception by a third party is highly unlike, as the transport layer of basically everything is encrypted nowadays. What is left unknown is what can Meta do once the file is on their servers, as you’ll have to trust Zuckk’s word and Zuckk’s encryption
But the Signal people also say the e2e is trustworthy, no (Whatsapp, I mean)?
It’s end to end encrypted so they can’t see it then. What they could do is access it once it’s on your device and unencrypted potentially.
No , but they will get the meta data. But image should be secure. But then your recepient download it , upload it to Google cloud and so on
You can delete or alter the metadata with multiple available EXIF editor apps.
In computer security it always depends on your thread model. WhatsApp is supposed to be end-to-end-encrypted, so nobody can intercept your messages. However: Once someone flags a message as inappropriate, this gets circumvented and messages get forwarded to Meta. This is only supposed to happen if it’s flagged. So unlikely in a family group. I trust this actually works the way Meta tells us, though I can’t be sure because I haven’t dissected the app and this may change in the future. And there is lawful intercept.
Mind that people can download or screenshot messages and forward them or do whatever they like with the pictures.
And another thing: If you have Sync enabled, Google Photos will sync pictures you take with their cloud servers and it’ll end up there. And Apple does the same with their iCloud. As far as I know both platforms automatically scan pictures to help fight crime and child exploitation. We aren’t allowed to know how those algorithms work in detail. I doubt a toddler in clothes or wrapped in a blanket will trigger the automatism. They claim a ‘high level of accuracy’. But people generally advise not to take pictures of children without clothes with a smartphone. Bad incidents have already happened.
Edit: Apple seems to have pushed for cloud scanning initially, but currently that doesn’t happen any more. They have some on device filters as far as I understand.
As far as I know both platforms automatically scan pictures to help fight crime and child exploitation.
Apple doesn’t. They should but they don’t. They came up with a really clever system that would do the actual scanning on your device immediately before uploading to iCloud, so their servers would never need to analyze your photos, but people went insane after they announced the plan.
As far as anyone knows WhatsApp uses secure end to end encryption. So only your device and the other person’s device has access to the picture.
The only downside is that WhatsApp is a closed source program, so it isn’t verifiable that the encryption is correctly implemented.
Also, even now, your message could be thousand times encrypted - Google drive backups are not. At least by default. Don’t know anything about iOS, but probably same.
It depends on if you trust Meta. Generally speaking there is end-to-end encryption in WhatsApp, which means only you and the person you chat with can decrypt your messages / media (source). I believe there are some weak spots in group chats, mostly caused by users themselves. Not sure about the new Community function but I’d be careful with what I share there.
Some parties like Apple have decided to scan photos from your device for illegal material (edit: after backlash they dropped this for now, my bad). If using an app like WhatsApp I’d personally be aware that something like that might happen in the future as well. I’d not be surprised if some employees might (temporarily) be able to access more data than widely assumed, for debugging reasons in case of bugs.
Personally I take the risk for pragmatic reasons, but it doesn’t hurt to be a bit cautious / aware.
Some parties like Apple have decided to scan photos from your device for illegal material.
No they haven’t, they aren’t, and they never even discussed scanning your messages like that. There’s a communication safety feature available to enable in parental controls so that if a child’s phone locally recognizes (using machine learning) that they received or are about to send a nude photo, the receiving photo is blurred and they’re given information about making safe choices and then allowed to continue or not.
No they haven’t, they aren’t, and they never even discussed scanning your messages like that.
They discussed it (source) but the backlash was enough to kill the project for now. Instead, they implemented the “opt-in” system you are talking about.
Noob answer? No, because the other party will likely store them in unsafe manner and send it through Facebook Messenger to that Aunt of theirs.
No. Never use a messenger for those things, that is legally allowed in most nations. They advertise e2e-encryption and stuff, but also need to comply to governments.
Remember e. G. The reason telegram’s owner was kicked out of his own country because he didn’t comply to leaving a backdoor for the gov? And how it’s, in some nations, one of the only few messenger left that can be used to express a free opinion without “dissapearing” after?
With your pics you’ll train AI-models for free at best.
I would never ever share personal stuff over some mega-corpo’s “free” thing.
but also need to comply to governments.
I dont know about every country, but as far i know in germany at least you only need to disclose the information you actually have. Eg: if you dont have the encryption keys, the government cant do shit with the encrypted messages they habe
So, correct me if im not right, but a messenger could be privacy respecting and legal at the same time
Well, telegram e. G. Still is problematic in germany due to not complying. We in germany might be relatively safe for now, that’s true. But don’t forget what’s at dawn for us. Then tgram & co will be banned and whatscrap will thrieve even more.
I might come across as bitter, but that’s only because i am 😁
