A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister’s children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

“They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store,” Gualtieri said.

173 points

Just as the architects of the Constitution intended

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As the 2nd amendment says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, well-regulated militias shall have the right to keep and bear arms. Also, in a twist completely unrelated to that other sentence, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. I’m talking rifles, muskets, flintlocks, hell, even futuristic weapons nobody’s invented yet. Not part of a militia? Doesn’t matter. Completely unregulated? That’s right. Also, by ‘people’ we mean everyone: kids, witches, the addled, it’s a free for all!

Of course, most people only know the final trimmed-down edited version of that amendment. The original was much better, IMO.

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Your command of the English language is… incomplete. Read this, then re-read your comment:

https://constitution.org/1-Constitution/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

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At 14 and 15, both of these kids are too young to legally own a pistol in Florida.

https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs2.aspx

So, yeah, pretty sure they aren’t concerned with the Constitution.

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144 points

You’ve made an excellent point, just not the one you think

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47 points

You’re playing chess with pigeons, I wouldn’t bother

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Trying to regulate the weapons used in our hellscape dystopia is just a method of maintaining the hellscape and avoiding any real change to society at large.

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That those kids got the guns illegally and would have done so regardless of what laws were in place? That point?

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9 points

Not owned, but easy and unhindered access to one. That is the problem : Way too many guns for way too little brains.

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Agreed, and based on their rap sheets for car burglaries, a likely source of the guns.

Which goes back to the two points I made in other posts:

  1. Any dumbass who keeps a gun unsecured in their car needs to be held accountable.

  2. When these kids were busted for burglaries, their homes needed to be searched for any and all stolen goods ESPECIALLY stolen guns.

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I don’t recall the forefathers mentioning the age for gun ownership. Toddlers need to protect themselves against perverted republicans. #babyArms

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It wasn’t the founders, it was the Gun Control Act of 1968 that blocked anyone under the age of 18 from owning a long gun and anyone under the age of 21 from owning a pistol.

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Ignore the mob. They know nothing but insults. It’s a damn echo chamber in here.

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120 points

Jesus.

The 14 year old brother shot his 23 year old sister.

Then the 15 year old brother shot the 14 year old brother, and disposed of the handgun.

The 23 year old sister is dead. The 14 year old brother is stable.

The 14 year old is being charged with first degree murder. The 15 year old is being charged with attempted first degree murder.

The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

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Everything about this is messed up and tragic

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…and preventable. Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

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Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

Emotional humans should not have access to firearms, except under exceptional circumstances.

The US military knows this and it’s why most people on military bases are not allowed to walk around armed, though they all have access to weapons when necessary.

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Well legally they don’t have access to firearms. They also shouldn’t have access to Heroin, and legally they don’t, but it killed 3 of my friends before we even graduated, so in practice…

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They also shouldn’t be out stealing cars.

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This whole thing is tragic and beyond dumb.

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15 points

It would be tragic if this didn’t feel like reading a weather report.

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It’s also tragic because it feels like reading a weather report

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The 23 year old sister had 2 children, one of which was already 6 years old, if my reading skills aren’t failing me.

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5 points

he’s going to kill his uncle when he’s like 12

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This reads like a shitty math problem.

Jamal, 14M, shoots his 23 year old sister, Abriele, dead. Abriele had a 6 year old son How many years will it take for the 6 year old to be old enough to kill his Uncle in cold blood on Christmas? And what age will Jamal be?

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5 points

The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

Arguable

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5 points

Apparently the sister died from drowning on her OWN blood.

Anyway, merry jolly Christmas everyone!

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The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

I thought you said “armed”, and if only… if that kid had been packing he could have been the good guy with a gun who would have mowed down all the bad guys and saved the day.

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3 points

What a wonderful family, with a lot of stable geniuses!

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2 points

That family reunion is going to awkward AF next year.

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109 points

More guns in the hands of the other children would have kept this travesty from occurring. #hopesandprayers

'Murica!

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If the 11-month old was armed, all this could have been stopped!

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The bullet traveled through her left arm and into her chest, popping both of her lungs. She suffered internal bleeding and was unable to breathe

That’s the nice way of saying she drowned in her own blood.

“These young kids — 14, 15 years old — routinely carry firearms and this is what happens when you got young delinquents that carry guns,” Gualtieri said. “They get upset, they don’t know how to handle stuff, and they end up shooting each other.”

Just FYI, this is not limited to children. There’s plenty of adults who have zero idea on how to handle stress without flashing a piece. I’ve seen about six different people use that as a method of indicating I’m getting over in your lane on my way into work pre-pandemic.

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I’m pretty gullible and I believe a lot of stuff. So I’m asking this sincerely.

Are you saying that in America people are tapping their widow with a Glock and giving you the stink eye to get into your lane? Like, instead of indicating and then waiting for a safe gap?

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America is pretty big, and that isn’t something that happens where I live (Seattle)

But there are parts of this country where a surprisingly large percentage of people are completely fucking insane and peacock with weapons in reckless ways. It also isn’t unusual for children to have guns, even if it isn’t legal.

There’s a high school in rural Colorado that has given up on doing anything about guns in their high school because something like 30% of students are armed on any given day.

I grew up in Tennessee, and students were allowed to store guns in their cars parked in the high school parking lot.

I have met many people who open-carry and then openly emphasize it to others because they want to be intimidating. It’s a part of their identity, and they will let you know in inappropriate ways.

This country is weird. I’m happy to live in a less violent part of it.

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Reno 911! did a bit on this topic. Metal detector at school, manned by the sherriffs. They’d let you surrender your piece and keep it until you left. They had a valet wall behind them and like, claim tags and shit.

I apologize for the tiktok link: https://www.tiktok.com/@reno911tvfan/video/7216351539382979886

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Bro…what??? CHAZ was literally in Seattle…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

Tn has two areas that have a serious gang problem. From those two areas comes like 85% of its crime. Everyone carries there and it’s not the wild West like you’re trying to make it out to be.

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I’ve never seen someone flash a gun in my almost 30 years in the US.

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I live in Texas and see people strapped pretty often, but they usually aren’t like waving it around or anything.

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11 points

That does seem to be what he is lying about, yes.

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I wouldn’t be so sure. I saw someone pull a gun at a fast-food drivethrough because there was a disagreement about whether the dude ordered french fries. And you’re literally responding to an article about a kid killing his sister with a gun over presents. What makes it so unbelievable to you?

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I think it is generally unlikely but am also sure that there are places where this is part of the culture.

In Florida you’re allowed to use lethal force if you justifiably believe that your safety is threatened. When lockdown first started, there was a video of a dude having a meltdown at a Costco because he had to wear a mask. The person at the door was a woman of 65-70 and the man child pumped up his chest and yelled “I feel threatened” at her, which I learned in Florida for threatening to murder someone over an inconvenience.

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Good God what city do you live in?

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Jesus. Where the fuck do you live that people do that?

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15-year-old brother and sister’s children

This sentence is a great argument for the Oxford comma.

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The sentence is a great argument for editorial oversight. How’d a copy editor let that go to print???

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Copy editor got laid off

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*ChatGPT please copy edit this for me"

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11 points

This whole article was confusing for me.

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There are 2 brothers and 1 sister, who has her own child.

14 year old brother shoots 23 year old sister.

15 year old brother shoots 14 year old brother in retaliation.

Writing isn’t difficult, but most journalists suck donkey shit at what they do.

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This isn’t a series. Oxford commas are for a series.

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I got a little lazy with the copy/paste. The first item of the series isn’t in the quote.

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