45 points
*

This article kinda makes me hope for reddit to survive. I want all the toxic, angry assholes to stay there, not desperately flee to the fediverse in search of their fix.

permalink
report
reply
12 points

If they all want to pile into exploding-heads, it would at least make them easy to contain.

I wonder if there could be a way to effectively shadow-ban entire instances.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points
*

There is. Lemmy.ml is currently shadowbanning kbin for unknown reasons.

Lemmy.ml is blocking the bots kbin uses for federation. The devs have ignored anyone asking why. It’s been weeks and only applies to Lemmy.ml, so it appears to be intentional. They’re running slightly different code on their flagship site than what all the other instances use (which makes me wonder what else Lemmy.ml has changed compared to what’s publicly available).

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

@EnglishMobster I think this is good. Personally, I think kbin-social should return the favor.

@db0 @magnetosphere @Kichae

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points

Yikes, wonder why

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Any instance server admin can just silently drop all packages from specific domains if they wanted

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

I believe that’s what “defederation” is. It’s when a server decides to no longer import or share content with another instance.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

No, defederation isn’t shadowed. If an instance defederates from you, you stop receiving content from them, and it’s pretty obvious to anyone paying attention that you’ve been defederated.

Plus, on Lemmy at least, block lists are publicly viewable.

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points

What is exploding-heads, is that an instance?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Yes.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

@magnetosphere
@db0 or kbin… *

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

But kbin is apart of the fediverse

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

I edited my comment to say “flee to the fediverse” after melroy corrected me. I had originally said “flee to Lemmy”.

@melroy

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

You mean like what happened on Facebook?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I’m not on Facebook. What happened?

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Everyone but angry assholes left.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Kind of happened in r/apple you used to get the occasional good discussion in the comments until the last few weeks of 3rd party apps then it was an absolute cesspool of hate and trolls as people seemed to leave for other sites

permalink
report
parent
reply
25 points

Yeah, what was unthinkable a few months ago is now an ever growing reality.

If ever reddit had a crisis management division, the people there didn’t understand what reddit really was.

Even spez forgot what made reddit special. Or a very big possibility is he never knew it from the beginning at all. It can be argued that reddit was the vision of aaron.

permalink
report
reply
5 points

Nevermind crisis management do they not have one sane capable PR person on call??

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

They did, but then Spez said they tried to blackmail him so the PR person was fired

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

My theory is a bit more of an Illuminati conspiracy. I really don’t care what people think of my thoughts or of me.

I think the powers that be want anything like Reddit to either die or degenerate. They (as in our wealthy owners) don’t want a happy healthy stable platform of free thinking, free talking individuals sharing ideas and openly and freely discussing the world’s problems so easily.

They want Reddit to die or at least degrade.

They’ll put up with the fediverse for the time being because it isn’t that big … but once it hits critical mass, there will be a slow corporate takeover and eventually another slow death and the process will repeat itself

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

Yep, I can confirm, I visit it about once a day, the content is… boring, to say the least. IDK, it feels like it lost it’s soul. I still need it, cuz of Void, but other than that… no. I’d drop it completely if it wasn’t for the Void sub.

permalink
report
reply
1 point

What is the void sub and why don’t you just start one here?

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

r/voidlinux. Someone already started one (says unofficial, since the one on reddit is official, run by the Void maintainers), but there are very few posts there. Not enough content to actually get engaged. Plus, the maintainers were the ones that always gave the best advice over at r/voidlinux and they’re not here with no plans to move whatsoever (there was a post on r/voidlinux about what the Void community is going to do in the blackout, it got deleted). They see the subreddit as a means to an end (they just don’t wanna hassle with maintaining a forum, so they use reddit).

!voidlinux@lemmy.ml

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

be the change you want to see in the world :D

I understand it’s difficult, but I expect eventually they’ll read the writing on the wall.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Uh… a sub about nothing.

*Badum tisss

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Sounds like a ripoff of r/amish

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points
*

I suspect what the article is describing is actually happening, but I’m curious how the writer a couple of quotes deep goes about identifying “emotionally sticky nodes”. They are using verbiage that makes it sound like they are describing something objective, but I have my doubts.

permalink
report
reply
5 points
*

The article does kind of define it, but does a poor job.

An emotionally sticky node is a user who makes other users stay on the site. Examples of this for Reddit would be accounts like poem_for_your_sprog, ShittyWatercolor, Shittymorph, or wil.

There are others, of course, that you may not be able to name - /r/California was mostly kept alive by /u/BlankVerse, who posted 85% of all the articles to that subreddit. You’d never notice unless you paid attention to usernames. Similarly, a small percentage of people made a large percentage of Reddit’s OC. Typically you couldn’t name them, either, but you’d know if they weren’t there because they gave Reddit a soul.

Reddit started off as a bunch of bots reposting links they found, without even a comment section. Eventually real people came and started posting nerd stuff (like programming articles) alongside the bots. Enough of a critical mass was created that a comment section was added, making old Reddit look like what HackerNews or Tildes look like today. The programming and porn were sent to different subsections of the site for the people who don’t want to see such things (these became the first subreddits). The default subreddits were slowly created, then anyone could make their own subreddits for their own topics.

Still, it was largely posts to things found elsewhere. People went to Reddit as part of their trip through several other websites. They’d usually gather what they found during that trip and repost it to Reddit. OC wasn’t expected; reposts were encouraged. By the early 2010s, a lot of the pictures on Reddit were mainly 4chan reposts. People who had a lot of stuff saved from other sites were the “emotionally sticky nodes” and people would come to Reddit to see stuff that was explicitly gathered from everywhere else - hence why Reddit was the “frontpage of the internet”, an aggregate of what people had found elsewhere.

Eventually we started to see OC for the first time. Advice Animals sprung from 4chan memes and really started to go viral across Reddit. Reddit users started making their own native advice animal formats and now Reddit was no longer just “things from elsewhere on the internet” but new content you couldn’t see elsewhere. Soon these people making OC became the “emotionally sticky nodes”, keeping users on the site.

And, of course, there are other things who were “emotionally sticky” without necessarily posting memes. Reddit became a great place to aggregate news at-a-glance. This is because of the moderation of the news and politics subreddits, ensuring that things posted to their subs were actual articles, post names were real headlines (no editorializing!), and the page wasn’t littered with random YouTube videos or self-posts or images or whatever. Good moderation meant that you could go to /r/news or /r/worldnews and trust that you were getting the same effect as looking at the headlines of a newspaper. Similarly, the 2012 election had /r/politics become a great source of information and discussion about the US Presidental Race. These sorts of things made Reddit a useful site and kept people coming back.

Even now, Reddit still has “emotionally sticky” places. They could be individual users like the ones I mentioned above, or they could be entire subreddits that aren’t quite captured here on Lemmy/Kbin yet. Neither Lemmy nor Kbin have great mod tools, and a lot of mod teams here are inexperienced and not as aggressive as Reddit mod teams are. You can argue this is a good thing, but aggressive moderation really matters for places like the news communities where legitimacy comes from users avoiding editorializing. This means that these places aren’t a good replacement for Reddit (yet) - subreddits where moderation is important are still “emotionally sticky” because nothing can compete with them. (This is why it’s important that Lemmy develop good mod teams and good mod tools!)

There are oodles of niche communities that you’ve never heard of that haven’t come over, either - for example, !modeltrains (@modeltrains) and !nscalemodeltrains are niche communities on Reddit, but neither of their fediverse counterparts have much activity (other than me). People on Reddit thus don’t want to leave their niche community because it doesn’t have any activity over here, and because there’s no activity over here, nobody wants to come over here to start activity - meaning there’s no activity over here. That’s why it’s important to make sure you contribute often to niche communities you care about, even if your content isn’t “good” - there needs to be something to lure emotionally sticky nodes here and get people to jump over.

That said, some places absolutely have made the jump successfully (!196). But for most places there’s a while to go before Reddit gets to the point where it can’t maintain itself as a site.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I’d argue !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com has made the most successful transition

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points

There’s a link to the full thing. It should have more context

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

Not really. There is some discussion of “emotionally sticky nodes”, but they aren’t really defined, just described. Which is fine, and it’s actually an interesting article, but when you start throwing around terms like “nodes” it makes it sound like you want your readers to think you’re talking about something that is empirically valid, not just giving your opinion.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Google searches is seo trash…

Reddit is bots, shills, and feds…

Why would an organic person participate in either?

Sure fedi is way smaller but discussions are prime quality. I post here way more since this where you can have good discussions.

permalink
report
reply

Reddit Migration

!RedditMigration@kbin.social

Create post

### About Community Tracking and helping #redditmigration to Kbin and the Fediverse. Say hello to the decentralized and open future. To see latest reeddit blackout info, see here: https://reddark.untone.uk/

Community stats

  • 2

    Monthly active users

  • 502

    Posts

  • 4.1K

    Comments

Community moderators