There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well.
These are pretty terrible arguments.
- Google is a primarily advertising based company yes, but Apple and Microsoft aren’t
- You can’t compare chromium to IE - chromium is open source, and also it’s actually good
Chromium being open source actually means jack shit. It’s controlled by Google, one singular entity whose only desire is to maximise their iron grip on the internet to squeeze as much ad revenue as they can.
This isn’t hyperbole, look at the recent WEI stuff or manifest v3 crap. Time and again, these corporations have showed that they just don’t give a shit about the free and open internet.
Which leads to the first point, (Microsoft does seem to be moving pretty heavily into advertising though with all the bs in windows 11), you absolutely can not in good conscience use a big tech product with the argument that they’re not an ad company. It’s not just the ads which is the issue here. And the problem is sooner or later they’ll realise they’ve a trove of monetisable data, so might as well do something with it. And then we’ll have no choice because there will be no free and open alternatives left
The issue is the rendering engine monopoly. Apple and Microsoft browsers as well as chromium all use chrome rendering engine making them basically the same browser under the hood.
That’s not true - Apple’s browsers use WebKit. I wish they used chromium though, Safari is basically the new IE.
Having all browsers use the same, open source, modern and powerful rendering engine has many benefits. It makes web development MUCH easier, improves user experience because websites work the same on all browsers (apart from any proprietary stuff the browser vendors might add on top of chromium, but that’s not chromium’s fault), and greatly speeds up adoption of new web standards.
I don’t want there to be a Chrome browser monopoly for obvious reasons but I don’t see the downside of every browser using the same rendering engine as long as it’s not controlled by any one entity
oh cool my favorite thread again
Opera works well with Twitch, but I haven’t done any detailed stat analysis on usage. The trade off between it and FF is (with my GPU focused browser settings) Firefox with higher CPU usage/temp(by maybe 1-2 degrees, negligible) and opera with higher GPU usage(but lower cpu temps/usage, as stated above). Since Opera is Chrome-built, it’s in a walled garden deal, when possible.
Opera is the biggest piece of shit in existence, as it sends all of your data to a weird Chinese company. They also make use of shady marketing practices and constantly lie to their users.
I really don’t see a reason to use a proprietary browser in 2023. Firefox is the best in my opinion. Chromium and anything based on it is bad for the open internet. Google shouldn’t be able to control the entire web through their browser engine. Firefox is the only viable alternative.
Yes use Firefox but ugh Mozilla wyd https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5053290/mozilla-2023-annual-report-ceo-pay-skyrockets-while-firefox-marketshare-nosedives
Trading the article, the CEO is meeting the assigned goals exceptionally well. The CEO does not give themselves the raise per se, but the board does, right?
As it turns out, moving away from Firefox is exactly Mozilla’s plan.
Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization – and it did not include Firefox. The focus for the future of Mozilla – according to Mozilla – is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services.
In fact, Mozilla leadership stated, quite plainly, that they intend to take Mozilla “in a different direction.”
When you consider the goals of Mozilla… the decreasing Firefox marketshare is no longer much of a concern. In fact, moving revenue away from Firefox, while investing in A.I. systems (and other subscription services) becomes the primary goal.
Any Alternative to Brave? I have FF as primary browser but for some websites which tends to break on FF, I would like to use something non-Chrome/Brave on Windows.
I keep chromium as a secondary if something breaks on Firefox. It’s the foundation of chrome without all the silly Google shit.
I think you want ungoogled-chromium
Librewolf sounds like Brave, but built on top of Firefox. It also doesn’t spam you with stupid ads like Brave does.
Librewolf is better I think. It’s pretty much a privacy hardened Firefox with the telemetry taken out. No odd crypto scheme like Brave either.
I use edge for the edge case when websites don’t work after changing the user agent
Which sites? I haven’t had that in years.
(And you can report them to Mozilla and they will fix it by either fixing a bug or creating a workaround for that site)