About 700,000 adults between ages 26 and 49 will be eligible as of Jan. 1
California will welcome the new year by becoming the first state to offer health insurance for all undocumented immigrants.
Starting Jan. 1, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, will qualify for Medi-Cal, California’s version of the federal Medicaid program for people with low incomes.
Previously, undocumented immigrants were not qualified to receive comprehensive health insurance but were allowed to receive emergency and pregnancy-related services under Medi-Cal as long as they met eligibility requirements, including income limits and California residency in 2014.
I’m going to say it and I consider myself very liberal. But why are we providing insurance for them when we’re not even covering our own citizens?? How does this benefit the people who live in California and contribute to its GDP in a significant way? And I’m not saying undocumented immigrants don’t contribute to the gdP but they are undocumented. Everything happens under the table if they are. I would much rather California work on universal healthcare system for their state that includes immigrants. And I’m definitely not saying just because they’re undocumented doesn’t mean they don’t deserve this. But where is the benefit? These people can’t vote. They’re not paying taxes. Yet they’re reaping rewards of other people who do. Why doesn’t California put this money towards its massive homeless problem or it’s massive drug problem or it’s massive crime problem? I just simply do not understand why they would make something like this a priority over so many other problem ?
And before y’all eat me alive.I am genuinely asking because I don’t understand why this is something they feel is important? There are so many other issues plaguing their state alone. Why do they feel this is a priority when we’re not even taking care of our own citizens? Please only respond if you can genuinely give me insightful information or an education on this. Because like i said i consider myself very liberal and in other context I’d think this is great. But we are facing some many challenges just among our own documented citizens that i just feel like this is a great step but not the step we should be taking.
Yeah, I’m curious how it helps them politically too. Don’t get me wrong, it seems like a good thing to do, morally, but I can only see negatives politically. Could be an attempt to save money on ER, but I’m not sure if it’s the state that picks up that tab. Could be an attempt to keep their working population healthier, saving money on productivity. Could’ve been lobbied for by the healthcare industry to reduce their costs, or industries that employ undocumented workers to make them more productive. Could be to secure the votes of citizens with undocumented parents/relatives.
I’m not a Californian, but it seems like a lot of the Democratic politicians there are grifters, and only care about themselves, getting re-elected, and climbing the political ladder; especially Newsom. So, I suppose they think this benefits them in some way, but I’m not sure how.
Don’t worry, everyone just responded about how I was wrong that they don’t really pay taxes. And instead completely missed the point of what I was asking even though i made it clear lol. I think most people in government are self-serving now on either side. Well, the reality is actually they’re not self-serving theyre company serving. It seems like in today’s society government officials are beholden to large companies over the people.
One small point: Undocumented immigrants absolutely do pay taxes. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, and contribute billions annually in income taxes. It may be true that not all of them pay income taxes, but many of them do.
And not for nothin, but there are plenty of citizens who pay little or no taxes too. And if you’re worried about people not paying their fair share of taxes, it’s weird to focus on such an underprivileged group when our corporations and billionaires are almost the whole fuckin pie chart. It’s not even close.
Experience. It’s very easy to lose medi-cal for making still not enough to afford rent.
Well, renting is one of the biggest scams the working class has fallen for.
I don’t think not being able to afford rent is a reason to withhold healthcare from those who need it.
Instead, it should be a reason to take action to reduce the amount you’re paying for rent.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t make rich people richer or fulfill your entitlement to live wherever you want so I don’t think useful idiots will be proud of it.
The Medicaid income limit that you’re referring to will apply to the undocumented immigrants too.
It’s not like they’re expanding Medi-Cal to be available to “citizens within the income limit and any undocumented immigrant regardless of financial eligibility”
“we’re not even covering our own citizens”
“We” already are. If by “we” you mean Californians.
Also what’s the alternative here? ER’s can’t deny help based on insurance. So if an immigrant goes to the hospital, should the hospital foot the bill or should that be covered by the state?
Bringing homelessness, crime, and drugs into this is a false dichotomy. Those are separate issues. But hey if people aren’t going broke from getting sick maybe homelessness, crime, and drug use may go down. If you’re trying to fix those issues then health care should be top of your list anyway.
And like other comments have stated, they DO pay taxes.
And all that being said, when I need to go to the dentist, I go to Mexico because it’s cheaper even with health insurance here.
I’ve got a wacky idea. What if we took the $4 billion annually that we’re spending to cover noncitizens, and we instead put that money into covering MORE citizens? Raise the cutoff for citizens so that more of them benefit.
I got a better idea. Why don’t we just have universal healthcare already and pay for it by raising taxes?
California: About 40 million people.
4 billion/40 million= 100.
$100 dollars extra per person OR health coverage for literally every person in California regardless of their status.
I’ve got a wacky idea. What if we treated people as people and didn’t discriminate based on where they happened to be born? Especially in this case where we’re talking about people who live in the state, report their income, and pay taxes contributing to everyone’s state funded healthcare.
Preventative care is ENORMOUSLY cheaper than emergency care. Hospitals have a mandate to provide life saving care to anyone regardless of insurance or documentation status. When they don’t have health insurance, they wait until it’s an emergency and either destabilize the hospital system or raise premiums for everyone.
This is another example where “it’s just cheaper to pay for it”. It’s also another position that so called conservatives are against, even though it’s far more fiscally conservative to support. Guess y’all can’t get past that crab mentality.
Immigrants are part of any economy that flourishes. Always has been. Egypt, Rome, France, England all had a high population of immigration. It’s to be expected with the world’s six largest economy (even bigger than Russia’s) there is a need for those doing these sorts of jobs to be taken care of.
As others have pointed out, they do pay taxes. They do live here. Health care should be a human right. Not a bargaining chip. The fact that universal health care isn’t even considered an option for the US is ridiculous.
Are you a California voter? If you are, youre asking a very good question. If you’re not, well, there’s no we involved, this is a state funded program, and the state of California actually pays more in to the federal government than it receives from it, so it can prop up freeloading red states, primarily the south. So, as a non Californian, not my circus, not my monkeys.
All of that said, I agree with you, American citizens should benefit from American tax dollars before anyone else.
The correct thing to do is, California should expand Medicaid coverage for Texans. Obviously.
Up until very recently, Californians were becoming Texans at a quick pace.
Then many of them realized that it’s hot, conservative, deceptively expensive, has no legal weed, no abortion, and no hope for change in the near future. The grass is always greener on the other side I guess. I have respect for those who knew what they were getting into and chose to stay to help us fight the good fight, but I have to laugh a little at the ones who didn’t seem to realize that we live up to our reputation down here.
California has a huge labor shortage. It is extraordinarily expensive to live near any major population center. Agriculture is a huge industry, but many service, hospitality industries, etc. still need and require people living near big areas where the average housing price is 500k+ (this is including 1-2 commute to achieve that price excluding our high gasoline costs)
Who the fuck can sustainably work at or near minimum wage with those costs, paying full taxes.
This is an attempt at a labor policy that keeps all tech people happy they get can go out to dinner on Tuesday night.
I think you are the only one who even got close to answering my question. Without just straight up attacking one point i made and then ignoring everything else i said.
This makes sense. And with how our gov revolves around work and corporate greed it would make even more then that California gov is trying to bolster its “low earners” economy.
In Canada we have similar issues in they want to bring in immigrants (many on student visas) by 100s of thousands which in turn sees them blamed for the housing affordability crisis when they really are brought in to help prop up not only the universities with higher enrollment fees but also to prop up employers that want workers at minimum or lower wages. It’s an added bonus that they need to rent rooms from politician landlords.
There’s definitely an issue with the impending shortage of younger population to support the aging population which is also why they’re bringing immigrants in for, but it’s also maintaining artificially low wages that normal market conditions would not ever see filled unless wages were increased.
In the meantime like in the US there is this low wage economic class of non citizens abused for cheap labor.
Where? We don’t own 2/3 of the land in the state. The Federal Government does, and we can’t build there. We’ve built as much as we can, given maximum height restrictions, and used up basically all available land already.
You’re so close. It’s true. Why give them when we don’t have it covered for ourselves.
You hint on a lot of other issues too, like homelessness and drug programs.
I’ll say this, we do not have an issue with funding. For example we can look at other countries that do have proper funding for these programs and their gdp is nowhere near what the US generates. And yet we struggle!?
We have problems that we can’t solve alone but we are indoctrinated into thinking that we can.
We don’t need to throw this money away, but we do. Somebody will get paid a boat load of money and some poor immigrant will receive substandard healthcare. All this is working as intended and someone in 50 years will ask the same question.
California is trying to set up a single payer healthcare system. This is not a case of California calling it quits and not bothering to try to cover everyone.
You can get subsidized insurance through https://coveredca.com/ or free Medi-cal.
Having a large group of people living in your society without healthcare is just asking for huge (expensive) trouble. And it’s not like it’s more than the documented Californian’s have access to. In addition, Medi-Cal gives access to mental health and drug abuse counseling and help. California is really nice. There’s a reason so freaking many people have moved here (although I was pleasantly surprised to see more moved out last year! Hope that trend continues). The cost of housing has gone crazy (for a long while now), which studies have shown has a direct correlation with homelessness. Don’t let the propaganda get to you. California, like just about every state (and really just about every country I’ve ever been to), has mostly pleasant, friendly people and livable areas. And sure, some really, really shitty areas. Several obvious problems, and pretty straightforward ways to solve a lot of them, but politics and politicians just can’t handle big, long-impact decisions these days.
That’s insane.
What’s insane about it? Undocumented immigrants deserve healthcare too, and we should all expect public healthcare in a general sense.
He’s one of those “people are more human if they come from my country” folks.
Probably thinks people are more human if they share his skin color, too.
One looks through their comment history says otherwise. It just easier to demonize someone you don’t agree with.
Also I agree with them. Just saying its ass backwards that an illegal immigrant has better healthcare than an actually citizen doesn’t automatically mean illegal immigrants should have no healthcare
Dude confused “amazing” with “insane.”
This is just good cost saving. Everyone has healthcare in the US. It’s called the emergency room. It costs 100x what healtchare should and has terrible outcomes compared to early preventive treatment, and is a terrible experience for the patient to boot.
Getting any group of people on preventive care is just smart in general, regardless of who they are.
What’s insane is how California can provide medical care to illegal immigrants but red states can’t even provide it for their citizens.
Kind of put things into perspective where’s the better place to live. That’s why California is so expensive while places like Oklahoma are not.
Supply and demand, lol.
… as a Californian this is bullshit. Solve mental health and homelessness crisis. This is smoke and mirrors shit. Gavin is all about image and little on substance. This coming from a person who wouldn’t vote Republican either. We are literally in the darkest timeline. A turd sandwich versus a douche
Yeah “solve mental health” but no health insurance for those poors! Great idea!
Any other cliche TV quotes you want to throw out?
The point was we need to take care of citizens first and we haven’t even done that. That’s the first order of government. I guess one could argue that giving everyone people who are not here legally services are protecting the public. Anyway, I was trashed last night so sorry for the rant but I still feel that the government isn’t doing all its can for its citizens first.
I’m a caretaker for someone with schizophrenia and the mental health services and coverage available in this state is completely inadequate. So politicians go on stage and say things like we’re going to give everyone healthcare and it is all shit.
Yeah you didn’t say that the state isn’t doing all it can though. You said to solve mental health and homelessness before giving health care to people.
If the person you are a caretaker for was undocumented, would you withhold care? Should they get less care? Should they just get shipped back to where they came from? Or should they get the best possible care, regardless of immigration status, because they are a person in need?
“Undocumented”? “health insurance”?
“Undocumented health insurance”!?
“as long as they met eligibility requirements, including income limits and California residency in 2014.”
But not documented!?
Are you quite sure you’re all right over there?
You’re misunderstanding jargon for a standard english word.
“Undocumented” in US immigration terms is not the same meaning as being “undocumented” in other contexts, i.e lacking any and all documents of a specific type.
You can be “undocumented” inimmigration terms and still have establishing documents like power bills that show Californian residency.
I think California also issues driver licenses regardless of immigration status, just ability to pass a driving test. That’s likely the most common document that will be used for eligibility.
Still mad about the time my income was equal to rent plus like $500 so I didn’t qualify for medi-cal. With my health conditions, on the cheapest plan, $1000+ a month. Fucking california, garbage place.
So you’re saying that high prices of rent and health insurance are not the responsibility of the regulatory framework that was explicitly designed for profit maximization?
I don’t know of a state that really regulates rent and health insurance. You’d see similar expenses in basically all expensive regions of the US.
