If Arithemtic were debated like religion

It’s not that far off. Math philosophy gets nuts

On a cosmological scale the real answer and 4 are effectively the same number.

Edit: not sure I understand the down votes…

I remember back in the day when we were all up in arms about sets

Shouldn’t this meme apply to atheists sence they are making the opposite truth-claim, which is that God does NOT exist?

You are mistaken. Atheism makes no claim about gods not existing. It simply rejects the claim that they do exist. This is called the null hypothesis and it is the default position. If you would like to have a legitimate conversation about this then you need to understand this difference. Otherwise you are just strawmanning atheists and that’s just intellectual dishonesty.

Theism is a learned behaviour, taught to children. It is not the default position. Religion spawned from asking ‘why’ and since knowledge was limited in the before times superstition came to be. That’s why most societies around the world have differring views on religion, if it was the default state there would be one religion not multiple.

Which is why different regions have completely unrelated gods who directly contradict each other on how god works, what god is, how many gods there are, what god wants, what god doesnt want, what god likes and dislikes, how god made us, how god made everything else, what god intends for us to do, and how god wants us to live.

Because its such a natural thing that we all correctly know intuitively. Right.

No. Atheists being skeptical of the baseless claim that God exists makes perfect sense, the gnostic claim that God at least provides a hypothesis is perfectly baseless.

No. There’s a difference between not believing in god (atheist), and believing she doesn’t exist (antitheist, I guess). It’s not that I believe that there is no god, it’s possible, I just don’t believe you when you tell me that there is. Why should I?

Everybody is born without a belief in god. It should require extraordinary evidence to prove such an extraordinary claim. People just accept it because it’s comforting.

The vast majority of people who identify with that label mean they don’t believe in a god or are not convinced. Not that they are asserting that there is no god.

Me personally? I am willing to assert that there is no 3-omni personal God. I am not willing to assert that I know 100% that there isn’t some weird-ass star trek like alien somewhere that has such cool tech we should properly call it a small g god. I don’t think that there is one but I can’t really claim that I know that.

I mean, that sounds like the reasoning behind the order of operations, to me. At least that’s the only reason I’ve ever been given.

The order of operations is made from consensus. Just like we all agree the first letter of the alphabet is “A”. You could make the order of operations whatever you like, you would just need to rewrite equations to reflect that change.

The order of operations is made from consensus.

No it isn’t. It’s a natural consequence of the definitions in the first place. e.g. 2x3 is shorthand for 2+2+2, so if you don’t do multiplication before addition then you get the wrong answer, hence the order of operations rules.

Your argument is circular in nature. The right answer is dependent upon the order that you do the operations. So you can’t use the argument that the order of operation matters. Because if you do the math not using the correct order of operations, the answer comes out incorrectly.

For example, we could just do away with order of operations all together and explicitly use parentheses everywhere. While the system would be extremely painful to use, it would result in a consistent mathematics.

So there’s nothing inherently correct about our current order of operations. I will say that I like it and that it makes sense to me.

If you want a fun Wikipedia trip look up reverse polish notation (RPN). If I have to do away with the current order of operations, I might look to this as a possible alternative.

The order of operations is a convention created by humans so as to ensure a consistent understanding of mathematical expressions. The reason for them being the way they are is merely because that’s what we’ve agreed upon.

I wish I could have been in the room. You know someone was like, “Eh, just left to right. We’ll use parentheses to specify an order when it’s necessary.” Then someone else said, “What if we use this system of various rules instead.” If I were there, I would have killed that person to save mankind.

No, they have to be the way they are as a result of the way the operators have been defined. e.g. 2x3 is shorthand for 2+2+2, so if you don’t do multiplication before addition then you get the wrong answer, hence the order of operations rules.

All order of operation rules are made up, but some of them are more useful than others. Rules that jive with associative and communtative laws are preferred.

Or come over to RPN and stop worrying about it.

All order of operation rules are made up

None of them are made-up. They are all a natural consequence of the way things have been defined. e.g. 2x3 is shorthand for 2+2+2, so if you don’t do multiplication before addition then you get the wrong answer, hence the order of operations rules.

To add, I believe regardless of order of operations if we used () for every part of the equation it would no longer matter, but that would get tedious so as you said humans agreed on a shorthand for consistency.

in my experience, the “i dunno” fella is more irritating than the other

In your opinion you side with the short-cutting fuck-up that picks an obviously wrong answer instead of doing the work to find the right one.

At the end of the day, it’s all a test from the god of shit eating morons though.

lol neither did any work, at least my guy took a guess

Being too lazy and stupid to find the real answer is not more admirable than doubting an easy answer from a fool.

I think it’s more admirable to admit when you don’t know something than it is to just make up some obviously wrong bullshit.

Would you feel the same way about whether it was safe to eat a mushroom found in the woods?

“I didn’t check to see whether or not it was poison, but at least the dead guy took a guess.”

Please tell me that you are not an accountant

Did you just repeat the comics punchline? The one being mocked for being the obviously wrong answer, who sounds like an idiot for thinking the wrong answer has value for the only merit of just being an answer?

Did you want to reread the comic again?

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