Gay’s resignation — just six months and two days into the presidency — comes amid growing allegations of plagiarism and lasting doubts over her ability to respond to antisemitism on campus after her disastrous congressional testimony Dec. 5.
Gay weathered scandal after scandal over her brief tenure, facing national backlash for her administration’s response to Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack and allegations of plagiarism in her scholarly work.
It’s sad to me that simply bringing enough negative attention, whether it’s warranted or not, is enough to get organizations to cave. They had a third party investigate her writing and they found it didn’t fall to the level of plagiarism. The people she supposedly plagiarized all agree that the technical nature of what she was summarizing wouldn’t make it plagiarism. The majority of students support her and the work she was doing.
I’m curious if any other Harvard President has ever had this level of scrutiny on their work come years after the fact. Feels like it’s people dishonestly taking objection just because they want to see her removed and now they’ve succeeded.
I’m pretty sure the flimsy plagiarism matter is just the lever used to oust her after her poor handling of the students calling for genocide. That looked real bad for the school in the congressional hearing. That or a way to oust her without appearing to pick a side in that whole mess.
She simply refused to make a blanket statement that would exclude all nuance.
She essentially refused to agree to zero tolerance policies. Which, you would think that people would be against.
But it was trap, and the media successfully branded it as condoning hate speech, when that’s not at all what her refusal to take the bait was about.
Damned if she did, damned if she didn’t.
It wasn’t the media at all though; it was fucking Elise Stefanik deliberately interrupting her prior response to hide the fact that her response was the same with regard to student speech vis black people or Israel.
Michelle Goldberg did a great write up of it in the NYT.
But let me correct myself. The news media in general did blow it by not catching on to and calling out what Stefanik did, but it wasn’t universal as obviously some of us, including Michelle Goldberg, understood Stefanik’s intellectually dishonest fake-out.
It only looked bad because the question itself was dishonest and meant to make the school look bad. The students did not openly call for genocide. They called for another “intifada” and repeated the “from the river to the sea” mantra (or whatever you’d call it). Both of these things would be protected by a free speech policy that, as she stated, requires things to be targeted and actionable.
Eh, us professors care pretty deeply about the plagiarism she did. Intent or even knowledge of plagiarism isn’t necessary for disciplinary action in plagiarism cases at major research universities. Any one of these examples would be enough for my university’s academic integrity committee to rule that plagiarism occurred:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html
And in the case of a dissertation, plagiarism is an automatic expulsion and degree retraction from my university. At the PhD level, students certainly know that what Dr. Gay did is plagiarism (a good rule of thumb is that five sequential words, even with paraphrasing, without citing the source, is plagiarism), and that plagiarism is completely unacceptable.
I already know of a student who made the argument that their plagiarism wasn’t as bad as Dr. Gay’s, so because Dr. Gay wasn’t penalized, they shouldn’t be penalized. Had she not stepped down, that line of argument likely would have snowballed out of control. The professors I know think her comments to Congress were out of touch, but all of us had been livid that she and Harvard were saying that she didn’t plagiarize–any professor who looks at those examples will tell you that she did.
Her students were not calling for genocide and the questions were a trap along the lines of “when did you stop beating your wife?”.
I think it’s fair to say that she did not handle it as well as she could have done - directly calling out the nature of the question would have been better. But her refusal to throw her students under the bus is to be commended.
Harvard received the first plagiarism complaint in October. The investigation of the claims in that complaint came to its conclusion on December 9. Harvard said they supported her as recently as December 12.
Harvard University announced Tuesday that under-fire President Claudine Gay will keep her job — even after reportedly losing more than $1 billion in donations since her disastrous congressional testimony about antisemitism.
The Harvard Corporation — the university’s highest governing body — made its announcement Tuesday following night-long talks between Gay and university leaders, a source familiar with the decision told the student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson.
"As members of the Harvard Corporation, we today reaffirm our support for President Gay’s continued leadership of Harvard University. Our extensive deliberations affirm our confidence that President Gay is the right leader to help our community heal and to address the very serious societal issues we are facing,” the group said in a statement.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/12/news/harvard-expected-to-announce-claudine-gay-will-keep-job/
The Harvard Corporation expressed concerns about allegations of plagiarism in University President Claudine Gay’s academic work Tuesday morning, even as the board declared its unanimous support for Harvard’s embattled president, providing Gay with a path forward to remain in office.
“As members of the Harvard Corporation, we today reaffirm our support for President Gay’s continued leadership of Harvard University,” the board wrote in a University-wide statement on Tuesday. “In this tumultuous and difficult time, we unanimously stand in support of President Gay.” … While the Corporation said it did not believe that the allegations amount to misconduct, it announced that Gay agreed to amend two publications.
“On December 9, the Fellows reviewed the results, which revealed a few instances of inadequate citation,” the Fellows wrote. “While the analysis found no violation of Harvard’s standards for research misconduct, President Gay is proactively requesting four corrections in two articles to insert citations and quotation marks that were omitted from the original publications.”
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/12/corporation-raises-plagiarism-concerns/
That said, two additional complaints were submitted in December. One complaint was submitted on December 18 and the other was on December 29. I think the last one just happened to be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/harvard-claudine-gay-plagiarism.html
It’s absolutely not flimsy- she’s only written a dozen articles and there’s been concrete examples of plagiarism in at least of a quarter of them. Here is one of 40+ examples of the plagiarism found:
Swain in her article:
“the statistical correspondence of the demographic characteristics and more “substantive representation,” the correspondence between representatives’ goals and those of their constituents.”
Gay in her article:
"the statistical correspondence of demographic characteristics) and substantive representation (the correspondence of legislative goals and priorities.”
Swain in her article:
“Since the 1950s the reelection rate for House members has rarely dipped below 90 percent”
Gay in her article:
"Since the 1950s, the reelection rate for incumbent House members has rarely dipped below 90%”
She never cited Swain in any way until she was forced to do so this year by the review board. If I pulled this in college in more then 25% of my essays I’d most certainly be in front of my department head in a very serious conversation, looking at suspension at least.
Edit: Lol, late breaking news! As of today plagiarism allegations now cover 50%! Half! of her papers as even more examples have come out literally a few hours ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/harvard-claudine-gay-plagiarism.html
And yet Swain seems to care about other things than the claimed plagiarism, which she didn’t even mention in her call to have Gay fired. No, she cares a lot more that Gay wasn’t vociferously pro-Israel and didn’t expel the students for their pro-Palestine speech.
Neither of those cherry picked quotes are egregious at all. They’re one sentence long.
I doubt any past Harvard prez has faced this much scrutiny, and I’m sure you would find plagiarism or worse among them if you did scrutinize them so extremely. That’s not really an excuse though, and doesn’t change the fact that the plagiarism issue is a real problem that wasn’t going away so resigning was the only way to move past it.
That’s what I’m saying, though… I don’t think anyone actually thought it was a problem until they decided they wanted her out. The supposed plagiarism was reviewed twice by independent bodies and they both said they couldn’t find an “intent to deceive or mislead”. They said that the quotations were negligent but wouldn’t be considered plagiarism in those instances and would typically be allowed to be submitted for revision.
If she was trying to pass off someone else’s words or thoughts as her own, that would be one thing. Missing a citation for a technical description doesn’t seem to fall under that umbrella.
Yes, and I’m saying this isn’t a situation where nuanced discussions about plagiarism matter in the end. Whether she was just sloppy or did it with intent, there’s an issue that people can point to, and given the current context those people aren’t going to stop. I think she is right that to serve the institution she had to resign, I’m not saying it’s ideal or just, but the situation is what it is and I believe she did the honorable thing.
We all know that plagiarism was not the real issue here. It was a convenient excuse to call for her resignation, but it was the other thing listed above that was the real push by certain well known non-profit groups to get her fired.
The people she supposedly plagiarized all agree that the technical nature of what she was summarizing wouldn’t make it plagiarism.
I don’t think that’s correct. I haven’t looked at the full list of people who were supposedly plagiarized, but at least one of them, Dr. Carol Swain, was calling for Dr. Claudine Gay to be fired.
This Carol Swain? Yeah, no, it has nothing to do with plagiarism, it has to do with Swain being pro-ethnic cleansing and is mad that Claudine Gay didn’t expel all Palestinian students or some other extreme action to show loyalty to Israel.
Holy shit that lady is insane.
She even somehow managed to blame Obama for starting all of this?!? wtf?
I know your argument is of semantics but I’d say it’s not relevant either way. The determination should be done by objective third parties.
Harvard. I remember having some respect for the institution, before learning about the legacy bullshit that props up the Ivy League schools. Now when I hear someone attended Harvard, the connotation is almost completely negative.
I’ll have to check it out. I only started listening to them a couple months ago.
They’ve got a pretty good mojo going now with a decent group of returning guests. Some the early episodes can be a bit rough but I mean that’s the same for anything. The Kissinger and Vince McMahon episodes are wild.
While I am definitely onboard with your skepticism of elite institutions such as Harvard, I urge caution in automatically attaching a negative connotation as a sort of reactionary default. More than one thing can be true at once and while it’s entirely possible that our elitist system creates a lot of bullshit, it can also be true that our elite educational institutions create a lot of good.
Of course they do.
That’s why, if I hear someone attended an Ivy League school, I’ll praise them when they demonstrate to me they are actually doing good in the world with their expensive degree. Until then, I see no reason not to call a spade a spade. Ivy League a nepotism laundering machine.
Besides, why should education even be elite? It’s the same shit as the private schools that get so much praise. Why the hell should “the best” be gated to the few (who just so happen to be the wealthy or connected)?
I’d not been following this story closely because it all seemed so utterly inconsequential. I couldn’t understand why anyone was this angry that she followed a lawyers advice at a formal hearing.
Now I see that she’s black in an important locus of elite power and it suddenly makes a lot more sense.
Now I see that she’s black in an important locus of elite power and it suddenly makes a lot more sense.
Not everything has to be a conspiracy about race. The white Penn administrator that screwed up their testimony in the exact same way in the exact same hearing was forced out in the exact same way.
No, but when you’re a PoC, it’s much more likely that people latch onto your story and watch you closely for mistakes instead of just letting things slide.
But that’s very clearly not what happened here and it’s detrimental to the discussion at hand to falsely label it as such. She in fact was able to let it slide for multiple months longer than her white counterpart and Penn.
More or less. And she took a neutral stance on the issue of students exhibiting their free speech, rather than expelling them all for not supporting Israel.
Which then led to all the certain well-known non-profits all about promoting Israel to start a furor calling for her resignation.
Yeah, but her resignation had nothing to do with the shitshow of a hearing.
Won’t stop Stefanik from bragging, though.
