259 points

the degree to which humans are terrified of their own bodies is ridiculous.

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At this point it really has become a site that provides soft core porn to children though, or where loners go to have some titty steamer exploit their desperation.

It’s just not the platform for it. Do it on a porn site, not where kids go to watch video games.

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30 points

I had to specifically search out any of the “titty streams” that you speak of.

If kids are going to seek it out, they’re going to seek it out. The problem is that porn sites generally have a much lower quality level, as people just sweep it under the rug and expect it to be seedy and gross.

Sex is not evil, peoples bodies aren’t shameful. The entire reason these streams are so effective at exploiting that is because of the shaming and ostracizing of sex positivity. This isn’t a good thing, it’s just damage control as they lose advertising revenue as pearl clutchers whine about it in their monthly letter to the editor.

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You could make similar arguments about gambling being a moral panic and they shouldn’t ban that on the site. Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant. Maybe selling violence to them is too. You’ll eventually find a line to draw for something being a vice, even if you don’t think this is it.

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I have an unused twitch account that I used to watch league of legends on in the mid 2010s. I logged in the other day for the first time in years, and the top stream was titled “NAKED JUMPING JACKS IN SHOWER” and had a nude girl taking a shower. A ton of the other recommendations were the same.

People don’t have to search these streams out, whatever recommendation algorithms they use are recommending them to people who have only used twitch to stream games.

Imo twitch is a website for game streaming, there are plenty of other sites for sexual content.

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10 points

I have yet to see any of this so called soft core porn. Granted I only watch a few streamers regularly. But I don’t think the problem is as wide spread as it’s been made out to be. I can click on any random twitch channel streaming (and have before more than a few times), and I’ve never seen any of this issue.

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13 points

Go to the IRL or Hot Tub sections and find something that isn’t softcore porn.

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42 points

I agree. If you want to have a “nude gamer” format on one of the adult streaming sites I don’t think that’s forbidden.

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There actually was a platform called Plex for exactly that, but it seems to have gone bust.

Edit: Why on earth would anybody downvote this fact? Plex Streams was definetely a thing.

Edit2: Just remembered it was called Plexstorm, apologies for the confusion.

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9 points

loners go to have some titty steamer

Steaming makes your titties healthier compared to frying

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13 points

I don’t understand how any of this is a problem. Just, like, parent your fuckin kids.

This is one step from “take the books out of libraries” level of paternalism

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If the issue is age appropriate content, that should also apply to the games being played. Yet children can watch people playing GTA just fine and nobody cares.

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3 points

This is the part I don’t get. Let’s let 13 year olds chat with strangers while watching a dude brutally beat a hooker with a baseball bat in a game, but let’s draw the line when streamers have nipples off camera. I have a 13 year old and hell no he isn’t allowed on twitch, youtube, or any social media sites.

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This is kind of an intentional cognitive dissonance for Twitch due to its having a conflict of interests.

On the one hand, it wants to tell viewers and advertisers that it cracks down on adult only content.

But on the other hand, the more adult content they let through, the more money they make.

It would be very easy to either make an age restricted section where adult stuff would be allowed, or to completely banish streamers who are the modern equivalent of burlesque. But one is bad PR and the other is bad for revenue.

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It’s not like they don’t have any age restrictions, the streamers that do that stuff have to mark their streams 18+ and add ‘sexual themes’ tags or they get banned. If chatters even imply their under 18 they must be banned or the streamer gets banned. Im pretty sure you cant see 18+ streams unless you tell the website you’re 18, which would mean it’s about as much of a gate that pornhub makes you jump through. They make gambling streams have the same rules but their tag says may contain gambling.

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It’s not that simple. Porn is a huge risk for a company, especially if it’s user-generated content. You have to police access against underage kids who want to watch that content, and also have an enormous team devoted to immediately take down CSAM.

Lots of payment processors and advertisers do not want to associate themselves with porn because there are too many PR risks. Ask Pornhub how difficult it is to be a porn company on the internet, they’ve had lots of thorny problems. Or look at Reddit and how it’s handling porn content before the IPO: they can’t outright ban it or they’ll lose users (e.g. Tumblr, another great example of what I’m talking about), so they are trying to hide it as much as possible.

Basically trying to monetize porn is not worth the headache. Last but not least, because there is so much free porn around. Risking so much to gain a few users that could go somewhere else in a whim is REALLY not worth it

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6 points

Pretend for a moment we live in a world where sex occurs as commonly as a handshake or a hug. In this world sex is everywhere. You grow up and see your parents have sex openly perhaps hundreds of times. When you go to your friend’s house you see their parents doing the deed. You and your friend even did it a few times.

Perhaps a half dozen times you see grandma and grandpa doing it after thanksgiving dinner. No big deal, you’ve seen it so many times now, you barely even look. There is sex in clubs, sex in a city bus, sex at lunch at offices. But amazingly no sex in bathroom stalls or rest areas, or dirty hotels, what few that even exist in this world.

You personally have sex maybe 20 times with various peers before you reach your 18th birthday. You struggle to even remember. You lost count a while ago because it is honestly like the question “how many times did you have eggs for breakfast.” By the time you reach your thirties it’s anyone’s guess.

This is the world where no one would care about implied nudity or even full on sex on Twitch. And forget about the taboo-driven sex addictions that are problems. We’d have other taboos, sure, but they wouldn’t be about sex.

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nobody here is advocating this, nor would this be necessary to address or to even reduce irrational/outmoded taboos surrounding nudity and sex.

going to all the trouble to illustrate such a bizarre extreme only proves the point that you’re willing to imagine such a thing out of fear (or to scare others) rather than address the actual problem.

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2 points

Wasn’t any trouble, but one ridiculous extreme can sometimes shine a light on another…

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8 points

Someone read the first chapter of “Brave New World” and thought it was a true indictment of modern culture.

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9 points

I can imagine it but what point are you trying to make here?

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That they want to see their parents and grandparents going at it.

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Nudity does not equal sex. People could give up clothes completely and continue with their lives as normal and I bet there would not be any noticable uptick in sex. People have sex, usually in private, even if they would be straight up nudists.

My guess is it would de-sexualize the naked form somewhat.

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This is literally my ideal world.

You personally have sex maybe 20 times with various peers before you reach your 18th birthday.

But surely this is already the norm, yeah? Who is sexually active and has sex less than 20 times? Did you mean 20 partners?

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Pretend for a moment we live in a world where sex occurs as commonly as a handshake or a hug.

So I’m not the only one to have that idea cross their mind! Thank you sir, for making me feel less weird.

It would still feel strange to open twitch just to discover dozens of streamers shaking hands though.

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I think it’s less about the nudity and more about the sexualization. People are trying to replicate an OnlyFans account on a platform designed for kids, which is where people take issue. Considering streaming is so competitive, they’re trying to stand out from the crowd by getting as close to porn as they can.

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2 points

Ok so hide it behind a mature content wall. Oh wait it already is.

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Are you claiming this mature content tag is infallible and people aren’t finding loopholes or skirting the rules? Isn’t that how we ended up with people streaming from hot tubs or doing jumping jacks in a bikini in the first place?

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21 points

What do you mean for kids? You can play Mortal Kombat 1 fine on twitch.

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I mean the intended audience is kids. The site has been around long enough now that some of those kids are now adults but that doesn’t really change anything. There are plenty of sites where you can view tits and ass all day long. Should kids really be subjected to borderline pornography all so Amazon and some influencers can earn more money?

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2 points

They’re not replicating OF, their advertising their OF, and there’s nothing about twitch or these streams that explicitly advertises to children.

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I’m not terrified of my body. I’m terrified of my aunt Roxy’s body. I also don’t want any children to see what I saw that one desolate evening. It’s probably also good not to let young girl’s minds dwell on the concept of being a bimbo streamer while they’re supposed to be learning in school.

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52 points

Correction, ‘the degree to which humans are terrified of the outer layer of their bodies is ridiculous’

Blood. Guts, and brain matter are a Saturday staple in America, but keep those nipples (of the female variety, male nips are mmm-hmm a-okay) hidden.

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7 points

lol, fair point

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To be fair, if somebody starts streaming without their skin on I’m going to nope the fuck out really quick.

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The visible woman? Chrysalis?

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11 points

And I sadly would decide that’s my time to check out Twitch.

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5 points

quick screenshot, then close window

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It’s a North American passtime since at least the Witch Burnings… 😕

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44 points

Whatya mean? You can twitch combat games all day that show every component of the human body flying through the air, appendages, intestines, no problem. Just gotta make sure there’s no nipples rendered on the flying parts…

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No female nipples. Bare male chests are perfectly fine.
Get someone like GG Bridget or Poison from Final Fight and the website implodes though.

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But video games where you violently kill people? 100% cool and good.

Remember to subscribe pogchamp monkas omegalul and to buy my shitty supplement powder and lewd anime girl cups

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1 point

I see you Steven He watcher.

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2 points

Whats ridiculous is your body can just NOPE NOT GOING TO BE A BODY GOING TO BE CANCER. Wait what were we talking about? Exestential feelings of death barbie?

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23 points

Meh. Advertising is. They just don’t want to become butthole Oreos.

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Buttholes are Leather Oreos, and they can’t take that away from us.

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Sticky chocolate doughnut

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24 points

It’s highly country specific… America’s puritanical roots seem to still hold sway. Go to Western Europe and nudity is commonplace

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Go to Western Europe and nudity is commonplace

Meh, we’ve been negatively influenced by the puritans I’m afraid.

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Why do softcore porn on Twitch? Seeing how Twitch is known for being a video game streaming site. Sorry but I already know the answer to my question. They will get more views and money on Twitch then on Chaturbate. The controversy they will get from doing it on Twitch. Will only help them not stop them.

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40 points

there was this onlyfan streamer who kept blocking the view of her tits with her hand while pretending to do body art for 13 hrs straight. it was the most retarded shit ever

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41 points

Oh, my God! Who???

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33 points

Yeah that’s disgusting. I wish OP could provide us with a link or a name so we know which streamer to avoid.

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7 points

I couldn’t agree more. That’s the peak of how disgusting one can be. We need some sort of identifier to avoid that subhuman trash creature.

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4 points

Ok don’t watch it then

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23 points

We want Twitch to be a place where all communities feel welcome.

And in the same breath they ban certain community categories because you can see human bodies. This is not about making people feel welcome, it’s about controlling them, obviously.

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Waiting for the first thot to be “banned” from the newest rule changes and gain exposure on LSF only to come back a few weeks later with more subscribers

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