Typical orange site behavior but worth showing. There’s a couple commenters there trying to fight against Silicon CHUD consensus but the submission got flagged and removed from the front page
I’m guessing their “NPOV” doesn’t apply to the Ukrainian Wikipedia putting up the ukrainian flag
Someone pointed that out and got downvoted pretty hard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38869115
On Wikipedia:
I would consider myself pretty pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine (also anti-Palestine at the same time for reasons), and I still find this apalling, because Wikipedia is supposed to be very neutral on these sorts of topics
Hacker News is such a shithole (literally, since I doubt that software devs don’t browse the site while they’re on break).
if you need an example of white libertarian nonsense, you go to HN.
Fucking hell, the idiots in my chosen field…
At least in my circles, the main talking point is the fact that this war goes back literally to the dawn of human civilization in this area.
Would really like to hear what this person thinks the “Palestinian” side and “Israeli” side was 10,000 years ago in the Levantine.
‘Complexity’ is an illusion.
That is the ultimate “dumb guy’s idea of a smart idea”.
the uncharitable reading is that he thinks that civilization didn’t exist there until britain arrived, but i know hackernewses and i know that “this conflict has been going on for millennia” is the perfect take for a guy who knows zero history trying to pretend that he knows all the history.
also the top comment holy fuck i’m so sick of ignorant amerikkkan pseuds who think that any conflict that involves religious people, particularly nonchristians, is just a disagreement over religious doctrine. it’s such a fucking childish /r/atheist understanding of conflict, belief, and culture.
SHUT THE FUCK UP WHITE MAN. YOUR BAY AREA OPEN PLAN OFFICE WITH A FUCKING PING PONG TABLE AND GAMING LOUNGE IS ALSO A HOLY LAND. KYS NOW TO ESCAPE DAMNATION.
also the top comment holy fuck i’m so sick of ignorant amerikkkan pseuds who think that any conflict that involves religious people, particularly nonchristians, is just a disagreement over religious doctrine. it’s such a fucking childish /r/atheist understanding of conflict, belief, and culture.
It’s a very effective propaganda narrative to hide and de-legitimize political conflict. It’s almost never just religion, and often not about religion at all. Another example is the war between the IRA and the British, aka the Troubles, which has very effectively been cast as sectarian religious violence in order to hide the political and liberatory nature of the struggle, and also to disguise that a highly disproportionate amount of the killing was done by British Loyalists and their assorted assassins and hatchetmen. If people understood and examined the political aspect they might start to ask why the British military and British intelligence hired so many fucking neo-nazis to carry out massacres.
I hate this dumb shit. The idea that there’s some ancient primal death battle between Jewish people and Arabs or whoever was around at the time in the Levant is awful, very effective historical revisionism. 1st century Hebrews/Jews were forced in to Exile by the fucking Romans! THE ROMANS! Who don’t exist anymore! Islam, at least on paper, explicitly requires that Jewish people be respected, protected, and given a degree of legal autonomy under Muslim rule (Definitely not respected by many governments throughout history, but others took it seriously).
Pretty much all modern Israelis descend from (or are themselves) very recent European settlers with specific racial features, and not from some super ancient tribe that has maintained ‘racial purity’ for two millenia (as if that confers the right to someone else’s home anyway).
Word. Genetics and ethnicity in Judaism is a whole thing and part of what makes it difficult to readily define compared to many ethno-religious groups, even diaspora groups. Plus, Tays-Sachs. Plus conversion, and the way modern Judaism differs from other contemporary religions that actively proselytize for converts.
