The president’s speech at a South Carolina church did not go over well with the GOP candidate.
Joe Biden gave a speech in South Carolina on Monday, and Nikki Haley isn’t happy about it. Specifically, she’s not happy about the part where the president called her out for her extremely cringeworthy comments about the Civil War, saying, “Let me be clear, for those who don’t seem to know: Slavery was the cause of the Civil War.”
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The issue of the Civil War—and her commentary on it—has come up for Haley in the past. While running for governor of South Carolina in 2010, she described the war as a matter of two sides fighting over “tradition” and “change,” adding that the Confederate flag was “not something that is racist.” She also claimed there was no reason to take the flag down from the statehouse grounds (until five years later, after the mass shooting at the Charleston church). After Haley’s gaffe in December, Jaime Harrison, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, said that her failure to mention slavery was “not stunning if you were a Black resident in SC when she was Governor.”
Here’s the thing about the states that seceded - they drafted ordinances of secession with a declaration of causes for secession, and they all say they’re leaving the union because they want to enslave black people.
There is no debate about this. It was written down by the confederates.
Georgia’s first paragraph in their declaration of causes:
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property
Mississippi, second sentence:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.
South Carolina, first paragraph:
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
Texas, 3rd paragraph in after babbling about dates and tranquility:
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy.
Virginia, first paragraph:
the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.
Can I ask where you found this? I want to learn where I can look this up in the future when some doofus claims a different reason for the civil war
They’re readily available, if you Google any state followed by letter of secession they will pop right up.
Here’s Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina’, Virginia, and Texas:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#georgia
There isn’t a letter for every state, some didn’t write a letter and just passed a law saying the union is dissolved or something like that.
Here also is the confederate constitution: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp
I will direct your attention to this line -
(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.
For anyone parroting states rights nonsense. Literally banned the ability of a state to choose on whether or not to allow slavery
Not the same person but I googled “causes for secession” and clicked the first link.
Yes, Nikki, you’re right that it was about “tradition” and “change,” but what you’re conveniently neglecting is the fact that the tradition that these states didn’t want to change was owning slaves.
She’s pitching to those afflicted with the Southern notion of “liberty” though, which is essentially all of the Republican Party.
Tradition to do WHAT EXACTLY?? TO DO WHAT …???
adding that the Confederate flag was “not something that is racist.”
Imagine what might’ve happened if Haley was a university president and had parsed her words like that.
“The flag can’t be racist, it has black flag friends.” - Haley probably (note she’s used that excuse for herself already)
Notice how no one had a problem with the Confederate flag until 2015-16 thereabouts? It was just a symbol meaning “of the South” politicized and demonized unnecessarily…
That said Haley is a god damn moron and a sociopath who can only look otherwise when compared to a bigger monster.
Wait, what? I’m pretty sure a lot of people have had a problem with the Confederate flag since long before 2015. It’s always been “politicized”, its literally a political symbol. And it’s demonized because people don’t like traitors or slavery.
Seriously? It was always a symbol for “racist piece of shit”, and most people did have a problem with it but just ignored it, like all the other racist piece of shit symbolism because the Voting Rights act passed and Segregation was defeated so racism ended…right?..right?
Source: not born in the south but lived there, and am old.
Notice how no one had a problem with the Confederate flag until 2015-16 thereabouts?
Was 2016 the first time you became politically aware, or are you just speaking in bad faith?
All those black kids I went to school with back in the 80s were fine and dandy with it. /s
The ones I went to school with in the 2000’s were fine with it, heck many of them actually wore em on t-shirts. Because culturally speaking, it had more to do with BBQ around here than it did with racism.
The “tradition” of the Confederacy lasted five years.
The Obama administration lasted eight years.
The Obama administration is more a part of their tradition and heritage than the Confederacy.
Also: Obama’s tenure only ended because of term limits. The “tradition and heritage” of the Confederacy ended in defeat at the hand of the United States.
I’ve been thinking about this recently. Reagan would have had a third term. Clinton would still get elected and likely have a third term as well because the recession that got Bush Sr. would have got Reagan. There’s a good chance we don’t defund counter terror in the FBI and we actually catch the 9/11 terrorists. So Clinton probably stays in office until the 2008 start of the housing crisis. At this point party fatigue usually sets in so Obama would likely lose to McCain. But that’s okay because he was probably the safest GOP choice in the last 50 years. Still GOP policies would have done him in by 2016, at which point Obama v Hillary plays out and we get Obama as our current president. Trump forever remains a footnote as he tried to run against McCain in 2016 and McCain obliterated Trump’s ego in the way only the military can.
Goddamn it I’m already fed up with our reality, I didn’t need to read about an amazing alternative history where Iraq never happened and I probably joined the military to get an education and technical training!
Instead we got Bush, and I could smell the fraudulent stink of Iraq even as a stupid 17 year old…
:P
