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You know what’s free (as in beer and speech) and not being enshittified? Notepad++

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This is not enshittification. Here’s where the term came from:

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification

In what way is adding an AI assistant to Notepad either “abusing their users” or “abusing their business customers?” It seems like it’s just a useful new feature to me, that’s still in the “be good to your users” phase.

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11 points

But… MUH BUZZWORDS!

(I really hate the Reddit-style overuse of that word.)

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2 points

I do too, considering it never needed a new term to begin with. This isn’t a new concept, and we already have a name for it: rent seeking

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16 points

Ah, the enshittification of enshittification.

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6 points

That one and “FAFO” in its various incarnations can take a break for a bit, IMO

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They’re sacrificing the utility of the tool to make it part of their new AI-driven operating system as a service platform. The only thing notepad had going for it was its complete simplicity, reliability, and speed. Nobody wants notepad to try to rope you into this ecosystem, certainly not at the expense of those qualities.

Even with the recent updates, I’m over it. Notepad has crashed on me at least twice. Notepad. Crashed. There is no longer any reason to use it.

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They’re sacrificing the utility of the tool to make it part of their new AI-driven operating system as a service platform.

You don’t know that. You have no idea how this “cowriter” will be integrated. It could be just a little button off on the side, maybe with a setting in the configuration to hide it entirely, and you can ignore it completely.

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AI assistants usually need to upload the data to process it. So it’s potential enshitification via adding data upload/harvesting features to a trusted offline text editor. Usually companies have ways to generate revenue streams based on the data from these “free and useful features”. Adverts based on what text files you open might be the long term end goal.

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0 points

If you’re concerned then don’t use the feature. It’s really simple.

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3 points

Leaks of company secrets will increase.

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4 points

Adding an AI seems OK but per the article it will do it similar to Paint Co-creator. I can already see those types of “features” will get promoted more and more in updates and take more part of the screen.

Microsoft will want revenue trickling in from Notepad of all places…

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I like Cory Doctorow. I think his theory of enshittification is useful, but I find his definition flawed.

  • Why is it limited to platforms? Can’t enshittification apply to other things like applications?
  • Are business customers really required or can that step be skipped?
  • The platforms dying thing isn’t what we are seeing. For example, Amazon is absolutely enshittified. They’re not dead. More like undead, continuing to shamble on consuming everything.

I still give credit to Cory for being an acute observer and coming up with a useful theory.

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3 points

There is no need to coin a new term, when “rent seeking” has done just fine for hundreds of years now.

This is not a new concept.

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2 points

What about privacy and bloat? Do you really need an integrated big-brother Clippy again? There’s a reason they got rid of that annoying little bugger 20-ish years ago. Even killed Cortana. How many failed experiments more do we need?

If you need AI writing, you have it in Edge or on the ChatGPT site. Will they add AI to settings to help you turn on all the bloat and tracking for you?

Like just give me my damn control panel which has a working search feature (unlike, say, Settings)

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Do you really need an integrated big-brother Clippy again?

You’re making some pretty big assumptions about what this feature will be like.

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100 points

Fun fact: Most of the features that people liked about the “new” Windows notepad were just stolen from Notepad++ anyway.

So you may as well just use Notepad++ and enjoy a better experience, plus about a zillion other things like numerous plugins, syntax highlighting for just about every programming language under the sun, immensely configurable color schemes, etc., etc., etc.

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7 points

More likely they are direct ports of things from the highly popular Visual Studio Code as a lot of people used to bound out RAW HTML and other code in notepad for YEARS before Notepad++ was a thing.

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bound out RAW HTML and other code in notepad

You’re someone who likes pain huh?

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Then those features in VS Code were most likely heavily inspired by Notepad++ as well. Notepad++ was publicly released in 2003, which in computing terms may as well be the neolithic era.

TL;DR: There’s no reason to stick with a shitty Microsoft application for this task since N++ exists and is, was, and probably forever will be superior.

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I think you mean you discovered vs code years before you found notepad++

Notepad++ has been around since 2003 years and vs code has been around since 2015.

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42 points

Hardly “stolen”. Suff like tabs is very basic that n++ didn’t invent.

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And even if Notepad++ had invented it, it’s not “stealing” to do the same thing. Notepad++ still has its tabs, nobody stole them. Copied them, maybe. Inspired by them, perhaps. “Stolen” is just a deliberately emotion-baiting term.

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Explorer still can’t do it though.

Wait, it does now?! Hell freezes over?

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3 points

It does contain random political statements however which is sometimes concerning.

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6 points

I haven’t noticed any of this. Where are you seeing them?

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It’s because apparently being anti Russia, anti authoritarian and pro Ukraine is…pOliTiCaL

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5 points

Every few updates the read me, description or something contains some kind of statement on various world issues going on.

Search the hit hub issues for notepad++ for the word political. People complain each time.

I don’t care if he is on the rights side of the issue or note, just don’t like it popping up in software.

I thought my installer was infected the one time by to giant wall of default text when I opened it.

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32 points

So far the author seems to have been on the right side of history. You can see some of them in the N++ update news:

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/

They seem to be pro-Ukraine (or at least anti-Russian invasion) and anti-Chinese authoritarianism. I can’t bring myself to have any beef with either of those positions, really.

At one point they also sold a thong.

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15 points

They had some messages regarding a free Ukraine a few updates back. It’s a free app so if he wants to include that in his update message that’s fine to me.

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-6 points

SublimeText is a much better alternative

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1 point

Not open source

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And it’s great that it exists, but the average Windows user has no idea that exists and probably no idea how to download and install it because the average Windows user, like the average computer user, is only nominally computer literate.

Those are the people Microsoft constantly fucks over, not people here who tend to know what they’re doing. A large percentage of people here don’t even use Windows except maybe through an emulator.

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16 points

Unfff pump my veins full of Notepad++. I wanna feel the autosaving tabs course through me. I need that tabbed indenting experience. AAAAAAAAAAA

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2 points

LiteXL is also pretty good.

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2 points

Neat, TIL of another app. Unfortunately, it looks like development has been abandoned. The last update was from 13 years ago.

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32 points

Fuck Notepad. All my homies use Kate.

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10 points

What are the advantages over notepad++?

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1 point

Native to Linux I’d say. Probably a few more but I’m more of a mousepad guy myself.

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23 points

Kate is freaking awesome. So many nice features for coding short of using a full IDE.

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3 points

Is it as fast ro start up as N++?

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3 points

It is in KDE, in my experience.

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4 points

Yes

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4 points

Not seeing anyone recommend Sublime Text here. It’s free for non commercial use and is fucking kickass and doesn’t look like it came out of the 80’s like NP++

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4 points

The more I look at modern UIs, which seem to have decided the best way to use the metric crapload of screen space a modern PC has is with gratuitious whitespace, the more I like 1990s UIs.

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2 points

Sure, totally get you there, but part of what I like about Sublime is that the interface is clean, no buttons everywhere, nothing obtrusive, its just a text editor that packs a punch and has a lot of community built plug-ins to do whatever you may need.

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Hey! Don’t bash things that lol like they come out of the eighties!

Cries middle ages tears

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Personally I could never use a text editor that is free and not open source (Aside from built-in editors). For simpler stuff like config files etc I use Kate which looks nice, has syntax highlighting and is cross platform. For more complicated stuff I like VSCodium. Both are well maintained, and work great.

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2 points

We all have our preferences, I just happen to love Sublime

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I don’t understand all the negativity. An integrated AI assistant in a text editor sounds like it could be amazing.

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Sometimes, programs just need to be simple.

Put that AI shit in Word, notepad is supposed to be a plain text editor and it did so quite well.

“Do one thing and do it very well” - Unix philosophy

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Windows has never even slightly pretended to follow that guideline

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And that’s why it’s awful

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20 points

It sounds awful. The draw of notepad is its simplicity. I wish software companies would stop ruining their good versions of popular software.

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We haven’t seen how this feature will be implemented yet, it could be done without impacting the simplicity of Notepad.

Personally, what I’d like is a button that pops open a side window where I could either ask the AI questions about the text that’s currently in Notepad or tell it to make edits to the text, and it’ll just do that. Seems like it could be perfectly straightforward if it’s something along these lines, and if you don’t want to use the feature you just don’t.

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If notepad makes a connection to the internet and waits for a connection and response then it is enshitified. If MS wants to do that they need for fork the code and offer the enshitified version under a different name “Notepad AI”

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That’s near impossible. It will bloat notepad, at the very least. Longer loading, more chances of crashing, creating unnecessary data-traffic… literally no one using notepad in the last 25 years needed any of this, they used it for it’s simplicity, speed, reliability, all of which it becomes less with features like these. Put that shit in word and o365, where it belongs.

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22 points

Microsoft is not a creative company!

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