Have you heard of this idea called “taxes?”
More than that, are you familiar with the idea of taxes being spent on more than just bloated military and police?
Its easier, for most, to imagine the end of the world than the end of Capitalism.
A fan of Zizek film analysis? That’s definitely one of his positions, related to how much post-apocalyptic media still portrays capitalism in practice post-apocalypse.
Tell me what type of society you are imagining please, in the real world it is already difficult for the average entrepreneur not to evade VAT on at least 30% of his purchases, because if we don’t talk about Nordic countries or Switzerland then I don’t see it feasible how people can accept even more interventions from the government in their lives.
And?
Do you have a cost analysis on giving everyone free housing? I’d wager it’s astronomically higher than bailouts or the military.
Society should work towards a better life for all, not better profits for a few.
The bailouts were loans. The us govt got that money back.
Those banks should have been punished though, allowed to fail.
USSR style. We can all be our ideal selves. We can finally be writers and artists living in our own large single family homes who teach children on the side, but only when we feel up to it.
And no one has to be the guy who works on the sewers or anything unpleasant like that. Plus, maybe someone wants to do that work, idk. And if not, uh… robots can do it. Who builds, programs, hauls around, and uses the robots whose sole job is to unclog sewers? Uh, nerds, I guess. Or… other robots, maybe, idk.
There will be no need for forced labor at all under this new system.
Are we looking at the same meme? I don’t see anything about not working or having other expenses.
You lack vision here. If we’re canceling mortgages, then why not get rid of other expenses? Surely water heat and electricity are human rights and should be covered by taxes. And we could all likely agree on food as well. Why would we coerce people to work jobs they dislike? We could live our ideal lives if only we dismantled the economic system one layer at a time.
…just don’t think about the details of how we’ll encourage people to do dirty jobs or you’ll get downvoted. That’s bad vibes.
Or just build a neoagrarian economic system that doesn’t require people to be coerced into doing shit jobs, as they now have high technology to help them build their own shit.
Even septic tanks could be dug, installed and pumped through automation if we all branded together and invested the time and effort into building it instead of being discouraged by people like you.
But you know, why try? After all, someone has to be a slave so let’s keep enslaving each other so you can be comfortable, right? Fuck everyone else. Only you matter
Bruh, its about valuing the people who work on the sewer more than the people who work at banks making money out of thin air. Its about shifting the whole paradigm of our society and focusing on what matters, I wouldn’t expect a “tory” to understand that though.
So why do folks who speculate and gamble with more money than a plumber will see in their lifetime make so much money while providing effectively nothing of value to society?
If only there was a way to encourage people to do things besides forcing them.
It is hard to beat the current system that encourages people to work a single profession for ~30 years 5 days a week in order to foster expertise. And somehow, (rightly or not) manages to make most of them feel like they do it willingly.
“I don’t understand sociology or economics and expect everything to be provided for free”
It’s been a few years since my economics minor, but likely more recently than you.
Considering you cant name a book, i doubt it. I’m currently reading The Value of Everything by Mariana Mazzucato and Yurugu by Marimba Ani. I cant recommend both of them enough. Its about culture as much as it is about economics.
Progress and Poverty, and you still can’t just have everything for free even in a better system.
I am not aware of a way to have coercion free society. But I am very sure we can massively reduce the amount of coercion necessary to keep our current society running well.
What idiot thinks anyone wants “stuff for free.” What the fuck do you think taxes are? We aren’t expecting people to shit houses out of their asses. We’re expecting our government WHICH WE PAY to provide us with basic dignity
Did you not read the comic?
Also, I’m not sure why you think the government owes every citizen a house.
I’m not arguing against social safety nets, but straight up paying for housing for every citizen is how you end up with everyone living in shoebox apartments.
I’m sure that you haven’t even considered the numbers at all on this. If you think the current taxes will pay for it, you’re mistaken.
Even if we took the entire military budget, that would be less than $2,500 per citizen per year.
So far the people advocating for communism ITT are not even sly about shifting goalposts with the wind.
Specifically OP, OP responded to a comment about free housing being unrealistic with “single income families should be allowed to exist” followed by something else that wasn’t relevant to free housing being unrealistic.
At this point I just think they’re big communism shills. (I shouldn’t have to say this is a joke, but I know that I do.)
“it took me three seconds to come up with a BAD implementation, which not a single person in this thread asked for, which doesn’t work! Therefore ALL implementations are bad! Ha!”
There’s a huge gulf between what this comic says (essentially housing, a basic human necessity) should be free, and what you’re attacking (everything is free). One of those is ABSOLUTELY doable. We live in a world of gross excess, if we stop arguing over how to kill people more efficiently, stop worrying about printing more money, we could give people a small home. Of course someone still has to pay/work for it, no one’s stupid lol.
Even if it’s a “shoebox apartment” it’s better than streets. It’s one of the basic requirements for life. And who’s to say that provided home has to be your only option?
Pretty good till the price of oil plummeted, single resource economies are ticking time bombs.
What do you mean ‘till the price of oil plummeted"? The whole world plummeted in the 08’ crash. Sure the price per barrel plummeted in 2009 but the price of oil has since gone up to those early 2000’s levels…
Bruh, Venezuela has some of the dirtiest crude on the planet and lacks the ability to refine it themselves relying on American refineries which have had an embargo against importing Venezuelan oil till last year, you are so out of yout depth in global economics is laughable.
Venezuela is an example of a petrostate, where the government is highly dependent on fossil fuel income.
Petrostates are vulnerable to what economists call Dutch disease, in which a government develops an unhealthy dependence on natural resource exports to the detriment of other sectors.
The oil price plunge from more than $100 per barrel in 2014 to under $30 per barrel in early 2016 sent Venezuela into an economic and political spiral, and despite rising prices since then, conditions remain bleak.
(Source: Council of Foreign Relations)
So yeah, socialism didn’t kill the Venezuelan economy, over-reliance on fossil fuel did.
So we’re planning to tax the rich to fund homebuilding projects like in China or Australia? I could dig it, but can we do that part BEFORE we ban mortgages? Because otherwise we’ll just be creating a homeless dystopia like Mao Zedong’s.
