I told them that what they called Western hegemony is different from the rules based order. They said the rules based order is Western hegemony. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real Western hegemony is a rules based order. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don’t even have that right now. We need more Western hegemony. And everyone at the same time was like “nooo” we are socialists, we are against Western hegemony. Socialists oppose Western hegemony. And I said but not social democrats. Social democrats are the socialists who support NATO.

And I saw someone accuse my post of strawmanning.

Libs know exactly ONE thing about history - that Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler by letting him take the Sudetenland, and it didn’t stop him - and think it’s some universal truth that applies in every situation.

Democracy is when you expand NATO to encircle former soviet nations, and basically tell them outright “if you don’t join us, willingly, and allow your economies to get privatized, deregulated, and hollowed out by foreign direct investment and IMF loan debt, you’re gonna get balkanized” and then proceed to use one of the most traumatized and nations in Europe (Ukraine) as a staging ground for the CIA to send millions of dollars to reactionary militias so they can start a civil war by burning a bunch of separatists in a union hall to death, and then proceed to pit former soviet nations against each other in a completely avoidable and unnecessary war… and the more you do all that, the more democratic it is.

something something international rules based world order

It’s such a perfect line because it reveals their total neoliberalization, the entire monstrous, bloody affair of war is justified by a potential Return on Investment.

If Ukraine isn’t open to Western investors then maybe Taiwan won’t be either. Then South Korea. Then Poland. How will my boss’s boss make a steady 15% on his capital if that happens?

This is an investment in democracy.