Baldur’s Gate 3’s huge launch has reignited the age-old debate about save scumming.

83 points

Bigger question is who gives a crap?

It’s a single-player game, let people enjoy things the way they want to. I personally don’t save-scum the skill and ability checks, but I will save-scum on a tough fight if I’m in a losing position - and I ain’t gonna knock on people who do and don’t do that in a single-player game.

For multi-player, I would discourage it since dealing with your friend’s fuckups is like, half the fun of a tabletop session.

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20 points

Presumably IGN have not been able to generate sufficient clicks by saying ‘this game is really good and not very controversial’ so they’re turning to shit like this now.

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12 points

Yeah, I have to agree. When it’s a single player non competitive environment, who gives a fuck? Even if it ruins the game for the person doing it, that’s all their are hurting, their own experience.

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10 points

How is it ruining the experience for them if they shape the experience they want?

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9 points

They’re not saying that it does ruin the experience, they’re just saying that if the argument is that the experience is ruined, it’s only the player’s experience that is ruined.

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9 points

I think reloading a difficult fight you’re losing isn’t necessarily savescumming. What’s the alternative, letting it play out until you get a TPK and then starting over with a new level 1 character because “that’s what would have happened in pen-and-paper”?

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Yeah, and that’s an extreme take I’ve seen some people take on games in the past - basically treating every game as if they had an Ironman mode.

I personally don’t even see reloading the game after losing as “save-scumming”, but there are the rare individuals who would consider it as such.

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4 points

I think this is the challenge for some who don’t want to reload a save. But random dice --with 1 always failing and 20 always hitting are just that random. No play skill involved.

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6 points

I agree. But hey, people do permadeath no-reload challenges of XCOM, too. Some folks are crazy.

I just don’t think reloading a save after losing a fight counts as savescumming. That functionality is such a core part of games that we had to invent an entire genre to design around not doing that (Roguelikes).

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65 points

There’s no debate. Mind your own business.

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22 points

But then how will I get a quick and easy sense of superiority?

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3 points

Still my favorite American motto before “E pluribus unum”.

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34 points

Save summing is enjoyable. If I wanted to live with my horrible decisions I’d turn the game off and engage with reality. Anyone debating how someone else enjoys something they paid for is a muppet.

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6 points

Well said.

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34 points

Is only game. Why you heff to be mad?

Play video games the way YOU want to and stop worrying about how other people play. This is a major problem in MMOs/Multiplayer games, I don’t know why we should open the door for people to be upset about someone else’s Singleplayer experience.

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26 points

What debate? I will save scum and there’s nothing anyone can do about it lol.

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