The Pentagon has its eye on the leading AI company, which this week softened its ban on military use.

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Remember when open ai was a nonprofit first and foremost, and we were supposed to trust they would make AI for good and not evil? Feels like it was only Thanksgiving…

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I mean, there was all that drama where the board formed to prevent this from happening kicked out the CEO trying to do this stuff, then the board got booted out and replaced with a new board and brought back that CEO guy. So this was pretty much going to happen.

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And some people pointed it out even back then. There were signs that the employees were very loyal to Altmann, but Altmann didn’t meet the security concerns of the board. So stuff like this was just a matter of time.

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People pointed this out as a point in Altmann’s favor, too. “All the employees support him and want him back, he can’t be a bad guy!”

Well, ya know what, I’m usually the last person to ever talk shit about the workers, but in this case, I feel like this isn’t a good thing. I sincerely doubt the employees of that company that backed Altmann had taken any of the ethics of the tool they’re creating into account. They’re all career minded, they helped develop a tool that is going to make them a lot of money, and I guarantee the culture around that place is futurist as fuck. Altmann’s removal put their future at risk. Of course they wanted him back.

And frankly I don’t think you can spend years of your life building something like ChatGBT without having drunk the Koolaid yourself.

The truth is OpenAI, as a body, set out to make a deeply destructive tool, and the incentives are far, far too strong and numerous. Capitalism is corrosive to ethics; it has to be in enforced by a neutral regulatory body.

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Effective altruism is just capitalism camoflauge, it’s also just really bad at being camoflauge

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helps you get a lot of community support and publicity during startup and then you don’t have to give a damn about them once you take off

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Effective altruism could work if the calculation of “amount of good” an action creates wasn’t performed by the person performing that action.

E.g. I feel I’m doing a lot of good buying this $30m penthouse in the Bahamas.

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You had two chances to spell camouflage correctly and you missed twice? I mean. Points for consistency, at least? 🤪

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Did they kick the CEO out for doing this or was it because of something else?

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This summary article says the board stated:

“Mr. Altman’s departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities,” OpenAI’s post said. “The board no longer has confidence in his ability to continue leading OpenAI.”

The article also says:

Rumors and speculation swirled on social media, with tech industry heads, reporters, and onlookers trying to make sense of the situation based on what little information was provided in the board’s announcement. Tech journalist Kara Swisher quickly reported that based on what information she had from sources, there was a “misalignment” between OpenAI’s for-profit side, represented by Altman, and the nonprofit side, which is controlled by the board.

As far as I know the exact issue was not made public, but basically the board is there to make sure the company puts ethics over profits. Altman was hiding stuff from the board (presumably because they would consider it in conflict with their goal), and so the board fired him. But then there was an uproar from the investors, Microsoft almost ended up hiring half the company as they threatened to resign in droves, and in the end the board resigned and was replaced.

Does that answer the question?

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I remember when they pretended to be that. The fact that the board got replaced when it tried to exert its own power proves it was a facade from the beginning. All the PR benefits of “taking safety seriously” with none of those pesky “safety vs profitability” concerns.

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I stopped having faith in nonprofits after seeing how much the successful ones pay their CEOs. They’re just businesses riding the low-tax train until they’re rich enough to not care anymore.

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I don’t understand that point of view? Why would they pay their CEOs less than any other company? If they did, then they would either not be able to hire CEOs, have the shittiest CEOs or have CEOs that wouldn’t give a crap. People don’t live on welfare, especially highly connected, highly educated people like CEOs.

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Why do you think lower paid CEO must be shitty? There turns out to be very little link between the CEO and CEO pay and the company performance… they are only paid a lot cause they are in the position of power to directly influence their salary.

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Which was always a big fat lie. I mean just look at who was involved in getting OpenAI started. Mostly super rich tech people meeting privately to divide the market among themselves like colonial powers divided their territories.

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19 points

It seems to be a trend that any service that claims not to be evil is just waiting for the right moment to drop that pretense.

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then some people realized they could monetize the shit out of it

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“In 1882 I was in Vienna, where I met an American whom I had known in the States. He said: ‘Hang your chemistry and electricity! If you want to make a pile of money, invent something that will enable these Europeans to cut each others’ throats with greater facility.'”

Hiram Maxim

I wonder if something similar happened with openAI.

Forgot about NFTs and marketing. Invent something that will enable these Europeans to cut each others’ throats more efficiently.

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I wouldnt be too worried they’ve just made an over glorified word predictor and blender of peoples art

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10 points

AKA the perfect propaganda tool to fuck up elections and make countries collapse into civil war and fascism. Like ours.

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Chatgpt would be a terrible propaganda tool. Also why do you need a better one? The existing ones work pretty well. Fox/Sky News and the internet troll army out of Russia.

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Propaganda isn’t new. Sure it’s more widely available now but it’s not new

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112 points

I can’t wait until we find out AI trained on military secrets is leaking military secrets.

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I can’t wait until people find out that you don’t even need to train it on secrets, for it to “leak” secrets.

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6 points

How so?

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7 points

Language learning models are all about identifying patterns in how humans use words and copying them. Thing is that’s also how people tend to do things a lot of the time. If you give the LLM enough tertiary data it may be capable of ‘accidentally’ (read: randomly) outputting things you don’t want people to see.

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18 points

In order for this to happen, someone will have to utilize that AI to make a cheatbot for War Thunder.

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I mean even with chatgpt enterprise you prevent that.

It’s only the consumer versions that train on your data and submissions.

Otherwise no legal team in the world would consider chatgpt or copilot.

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I will say that they still store and use your data some way. They just haven’t been caught yet.

Anything you have to send over the internet to a server you do not control, will probably not work for a infosec minded legal team.

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81 points

Capitalism gotta capital. AI has the potential to be revolutionary for humanity, but because of the way the world works it’s going to end up being a nightmare. There is no future under capitalism.

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War, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Massive quarterly profits, uhh

War, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Massive quarterly profits

Say it again, y’all

War, huh (good God)

What is it good for?

Massive quarterly profits, listen to me, oh

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Why does this sound like something Lemon Demon would sing

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world wars create inventions

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They remove safety restrictions which tends to speed up development.

We could remove those without war too.

Why do we have safety restrictions again?

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3 points

It’s health and safety gone mad!

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49 points

Anonymous user: I have an army on the Smolensk Upland and I need to get it to the low counties. Create the best route to march them.

Chat GPT:… Putin is that you again?

Anonymous user: эн

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Anonymous user: эн

What do you mean with “en”?

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Maybe that’s supposed to sound like “no”, idk

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That’d be нет

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