Evangelical Christian leader Russell Moore revealed this week that many evangelical pastors have become alarmed that their Trump-loving congregants have become so militant that they are even rejecting the teachings of Jesus Christ.In an interview with NPR, Moore said that multiple pastors had told h…

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Do you ever think how messed up it is people wear crosses? It really is wearing the Iron Age equivalent of a swastika. It’s almost as if they are wearing the exact opposite symbol of Jesus while actively subverting his message. Hmmmmm

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Weird thing is that it started as a symbol. Believers carrying a cross, albeit a small symbolic one, was a sign of sympathy and emulation with the sacrifice Christ did, one of which was carrying his own cross, in order to save mankind from sin. But of course it was distorted and fetishized to the point of ridicule. Christians aren’t exactly the most well versed on the beliefs of their own cult.

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Is it not as a reminder of Jesus’ sacrifice rather than celebration of how he died?

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If I was tortured to death for some shit i didn’t do, the last thing I’d want to see when I resurrect is people claiming to love me with a little version of the torture device that killed me around their necks.

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Yes, well, you aren’t Jesus are you? 🤨

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A bunch of years ago I was at my brother in laws bachelor party. It was mid summer along a river so we were drinking and enjoying the weather and a bonfire. One dude had this huge cross tattooed on his back, he was BiL’s coworker friend and I had never met him before. He was saying some pretty awful shit and then started to get into racist shit against Mexicans. I can’t remember exactly what I said but it was basically “you say these things while showing off that tattoo? Did you get it because you thought it looked cool or do you even know what the cross means?” My BiL asked me to drop it but its always reminded me of how much some of these people are complete idiots and maybe they are trying to be better but wrapping yourself in these symbols and failing to even meet a baseline of understanding is just so disgusting to me. A thousand years ago, I am sure one of us would have tried to kill each other over that moment.

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This is basically the premise to a Ricky Gervais bit.

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Doubt. I doubt these stories are being reported to him. He has been a Cassandra for years to the point that he lost his job and now he presents a bunch of anecdotal stories that can’t be verified.

Sure Christianity hasn’t exactly needed Christ since the beginning but the specific claims in this article I do not believe.

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That doesn’t sound very unbelievable to me. It’s not a direct quote and it very much sounds like the sentiment that I hear from evangelicals that I’m acquainted with.

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Even if it happened it is hearsay twice removed with someone with a motivation to lie.

Where did it happen? What church? Who said it?

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Asking a lot out of the quality journalists at rawstory.com

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Back in 1996 a psychopath killed an innocent old woman with a bomb. Because he claimed to be ‘anti-abortion’ he was protected by various ‘Christian’ groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

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I am only addressing one particular claim.

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Need from from religion, not of religion.

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People don’t get that freedom from religion means that me, as an atheist, am protected from forced participation in your religious activities. That you are not allowed to use the government to compel or punish me for not participating, but that you can still participate in your religious activities.

Anyone downvoting that concept in disagreement is saying that they want to force their neighbors to be under the rule of religion.

Freedom from religion does not mean that you don’t get to practice. It’s that you don’t get to force me to live under religious rules.

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I am saying we should force people not to believe in magic skymen. I am saying that we should not allow the practice of religious activity. Such activity is harmful and has no place in our world. It’s hate speech and should be stopped.

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I’m not sure you’ll have too many people on that side. For one it’s definitely not hate speech, especially if you consider other religions. Someone meditating practicing some random eastern religion/spirituaity isn’t hurting anyone and isn’t trying to convert people. They aren’t spewing any form of hatred. I’m behind putting pressure on hate speech for sure, but to say all religious activity is hateful isn’t really accurate.

People should have the personal freedom to practice their religion in “private,” but as the saying goes “the freedom to swing your fist around ends at my face.” (Something like that lol) so once your religion demands that I change and compels you to force me, that’s when the religion is dangerous and should be stopped.

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Lol

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No one hates Jesus and his teachings as fiercely as a Christian. Christians would be the firsts in line to crucify Christ for his hippie, soft ideas again if he were to resurrect, this has been known for centuries.

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That’s simply not true. A truthful statement is that these people were never Christians. They flew the Christian flag because it lent them credibility and control. But it has been a long time since we’ve seen any Christian values from the loudmouths we see in the news claiming to be Christians. Actual Christians aren’t the people you see on the news. I know a few and they’re great people who do a lot for their communities and the people around them.

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Not a true Scotman. Read a history book. Christians have been beheading, slaving and murdering people ever since Constantine converted in his death bed. It was never about being a good Christian in the eyes of God. Religion has always been about power.

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A truthful statement is that these people were never Christians.

This is like the most very basic “No True Scotsman” that you can do.

These people are Christian, whether you like it or not. You don’t get to decide that they aren’t. All Abrahamic religions and their holy books are full of awful awful stuff. And no, not just the Old Testament.

Now you know how most Muslims feel.

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If you’re not at least attempting to follow the teachings of Christ, then you’re not a Christian. Just calling yourself something doesn’t make you that thing. I can say I’m a Rock Star until I’m blue in the face, that doesn’t change the fact that I’m not even musical.

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Yea saying they’re not Christian is just giving them an excuse.

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Reminds me of the South Park ep Hare Club for Men, when Bill Donahue, of the Catholic League (read: assholes with persecution complex), says to kill the Jews (Jesus was Jewish). Jesus wasn’t hardline enough.

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I’m pretty sure that killing Jesus is not very Christian.

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I have a 20 year old t-shirt that says “If Jesus comes back we’ll kill him again” on it in tiny white script. People always thought it was a statement of my intentions but it was always just a comment on society.

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