So, I heard several people now mention HAARP as the cause for all the natural disasters that have been happening lately. And here I thought the cause was rampant pollution and global warming!

But seriously, I’m looking at the HAARP page on wikipedia and it seems to be an array for studying the ionosphere? How in the hell do you go from “we’re using this to see what’s happening way up there in the sky” to “this causes tornadoes”? Who even started this garbage?

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As far as I know, the “logic” is as follows:

  1. The ionosphere is very important for the weather
  2. HAARP is doing something with it
  3. Obviously not just studies, these antenna arrays use lasers or radiation to influence it directly.
  4. Pew pew
  5. Tornados
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Nowadays blaming HAARP means they aren’t blaming Exxon. In the past I believe it was just conspiracy fodder.

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Two things can be true at the same time:

  • Government aligned capitalist profiteurs have been extracting value from the Earth for more than a century, causing massive damage to the ecosystem
  • Governments have some control over the weather (from 1965, National Science Foundation)

I mean, just look at The Dimming and tell me that they’re all just stupid idiots who spent money and time on making a 2+ hour documentary, modifying planes to collect cloud samples, analyse and compare the results, etc? For what? Getting rich selling merchandise?

Sure, I’m open to all of them being quacks but I’d really like to have some conclusive counter-evidence.

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  1. people die
  2. society collapses
  3. ???
  4. profit

That’s the basic pattern for most conspiracies anyway. I’m still wondering how the conspiracy theorists expect billionaires will make even more money by cutting the human population to a tiny fraction of its current number. Well, I guess I’m just not smart enough to see the hidden truth or whatever.

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Right? Billionaires have an obvious interest in the status quo - that’s why getting anything to ever change in ways that mildly inconvenience them is like pulling teeth.

Like others have pointed out in the thread, though: if you’re expecting rationality from conspiracy theorists, you’ve already lost.

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If those premises are true it seems to make sense.

This is the sort of thing that with enough data we could determine experimentally whether that’s what’s happening.

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Because people are stupid. Stupid people believe stupid things. They don’t have logic, just stupidity.

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But seriously, I’m looking at the HAARP page on wikipedia and it seems to be an array for studying the ionosphere?

That’s just what they want you to think!

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In my memory, the first time I heard this idea was back in 1995 with the book “Angels Don’t Play This HAARP”

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/636826.Angels_Don_t_Play_This_HAARP

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Yeah blaming it for adverse weather is a pretty old thing, I haven’t actually seen anyone mention HAARP in a long time and was thinking about its absence the other day

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HAARP is an old school conspiracy theory. I haven’t heard someone bring this one up in years. It’s your classic government control the weather theory.

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Back in the days we all laughed about it.

Then it turns out, governments do control the weather! Through deforestation and shit.

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I had no idea this was old school. I thought this was a recent thing. Though, the book in @Strangle@lemmy.world’s comment was published in 1995, so I guess I just hadn’t noticed until now.

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muse had an album of its name in the early/mid 2000s too

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Old enough to have an X-Files episode. Remember when wacky conspiracies where good old fun?

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