Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.
They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.
🔺 This place is a RussianChinese bot farm disinformation campaign
69k filled with CCP shills and Russian trolls.
🔻 I doubt there are any real human posters here.
Edit1: Wow, so many updoots!
Edit2: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
I was honestly not excited about federation and still think we will be de-federated within hours (is that possible?) because liberals cannot stand being so consistently embarrassed by Marxists BUT I will say that a major factor in my radicalization was finding r/chapotraphouse years ago back on reddit. For every lib we dunk on, others will start to wonder and ask questions and even laugh along with communist jokes (by far the funniest on the internet). Liberalism actually has an extremely limited appeal, the democrats excite almost no one, and it’s true that some of their more lukewarm supporters just don’t know that you can fight liberalism without being a fucking nazi.
I would disagree that liberalism has “extremely limited” appeal. Many people are perfectly happy with the mediocrity offered by liberalism, and that’s one of the major challenges, that so many people prefer it over radical change of any kind.
I mean it’s boosted by the fact that it’s the dominant ideology and permeates everything. for most people, it’s existed without question their entire lives. so I’m not sure how happy people will be with it when they’re offered a real alternative, even among people who objectively benefit from it.
Yeah the benefit of being the default is huge. Incumbency bias is strong, and liberalism doesn’t bad enough at first to most people, so they assume its fine. You either have to be curious about the truth, or get fucked over by the system to really start to question it. It exists in a state of not so bad that people hate it, but clearly not the best, so people just go along with it as it is easiest to do so.
I suppose, but I was increasingly frustrated by the way democrats endlessly kowtowed to republicans and how they got nothing, absolutely nothing in return for it. I thought it was just an issue with “corporate democrats” at first, until I witnessed Bernie and AOC’s total capitulation in 2020 and began to understand that this country’s problems go way deeper than fucking campaign contributions. R/chapotraphouse really helped provide answers for my questions, namely reading Marxist theory and history (and responding to fascists and liberals with pigpoopballs).
I think the only people to whom liberalism really appeals to are those who are entirely disengaged. I think anybody who becomes active immediately begins to discover liberalism’s inherent contradictions, and finds themselves faced with the reality of either becoming some variety of fascist or socialist, depending on what their true values are.
I would disagree that liberalism only appeals to people who are entirely disengaged.
There are so many passionate and obsessed liberals. People who do canvassing, go to peaceful protests (while criticizing protests that are too disruptive), DVR MSNBC shows, listen to Pod Save guys, etc.
I personally take it less as people finding liberalism appealing, and more that real change is scary and entails the possibility of suffering and death.
Bingo! There’s been police homicide and torture cases after 2020 and I don’t totally buy the Ray Epps narrative from the press. I sometimes wonder if the capitol riot was a way to try to keep the largescale 2020 protests from happening as the cops still commit murder. Make no mistake, the unrest following Floyd was bigger than the unrest following MLK. It went global.
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I literally found CTH because I saw liberals on r/latestagecapitalism talking about “the scary dirtbag chapos” who “tell right-wingers to post hog” and was thought to myself “Wait no these people sound awesome, actually. I am so sick of people trying to play nice with actual Nazis” and decided to see what you guys were actually like and it turns out you aren’t scary at all. Lol.
Put it this way, CTH was tiny compared to the size of reddit yet it had such an impact on the site that Reddit’s admins wanted it gone to stop the left pressure it created.
Hexbear is significantly larger comparatively when compared with the size of Lemmy. The influence we have on Lemmy is larger than it was on reddit. Currently at least, assuming Lemmy continues to grow that might not be true in future, but for now it absolutely is. Particularly because we’re only on a few instances.
Because CTH established one of the essential steps towards a revolutionary movement: “an alternative cultural pole”. So it was dangerous and had to be destroyed.
Is “an alternative cultural pole” a phrase from some theoretical work? Asking because it sounds interesting, and I came up short on DuckDuckGo.
I made it up lol, but its from gramsci, I think he used countercultural hegemon or something.
I actually don’t think I’ve seen anything like this on this site before:
Basically the @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml signifier over there
oh back when the site first launched, comments would get squished until they were 1 character wide, so the replies would be entirely vertical. and the threads would continue anyway because people were replying from their inbox.
To the reddit refugee, liberals, whatever: Your system is evil. You may not notice it because you are a cozy Labour aristocrat (even if doing “manual” labor, lmao) mostly worried about your slice of the bloody fucking pie. One week as an out trans person sees more hate than you will ever experience, there is fucking blood on most of the things you consume for fun, ask yourself how you get this or that snazzy device you fucking uncaring roman. Ask yourself why bananas are cheaper than apples in North America, ask yourself why thousands of migrants drown in the fucking piss water you euro fucks skinny dip in, who fucking harvests your watery shit vegetables.
Look at the millionaire while he pretends he is your friend, listen to the pod, check your boxes, do your “polsci”, read the virtual toilet rag editorials, shudder at the thought of fucked up, desperate people doing honest mistakes, fall for the lies, laugh at the Stalin quote about his heart of stone, then notice you don’t even have anything close to a heart beating in your pilates toned, conscious living chest
Your system is rotten. Some of us honestily tried to fix it, but you wouldn’t have it. Vote Blue if you think it saves you, you could at least admit you are being blackmailed by a duopoly. Europe: You couldn’t even get out of the neoliberal shit if you wanted to. You are too stagnant and now you are falling to the guys you derided as untermensch, “uneducated”, or “autocratic” (rich coming from you lmao)
I, personally, have no great hopes for china, though you might ask yourself why your “concern” is so focused on this country, while you never acted up before about any western injustice. But fuck you and fuck anything you stand for. We will not rush to save it. We hope to survive, at least some of us, despite of all your “help” and “efforts”
Bravo! You mentioned so many stuff any reasonable human can deduce by themselves, but they just refuse to.
I would add big difference with China: China is not pretending that they are nice and humane and always right. I never heard them preaching to someone and pretending they are better humans with more humanity than others. No hypocrisy in which EU is drawing in, started to be obvious (to me) in 2014 with Greece and all masks fell down during covid and totally confirmed with war in Ukraine.
Thay, agajn, managed to create a war between slavs and now are setting up our brothers in west africa to fight among themselves, I really hope they will resist this time.
