Vehicles under $15k are 1.6% of the market, and their share of the market has dropped over 90% since 2019. The old advice that you can get a beater and drive it in to the ground for $5k hasn’t been true for years but it still seems pervasive in personal finance spaces.
Cash for clunkers and other programs killed the used market.
That ended 14 years ago.
The car companies just moved up market, nobody cares about affordable cars.
Then inflation didn’t help.
Increased safety features on recent car models are a factor here as well. In the decade before I drove, airbags became standard, and weren’t even required until I’d been driving for a bit.
And over the last 10 years, NHTSA has pushed for stability control, 5 star crash test ratings, etc…
Then the whirlwind of safety over the last 5 years where back up cameras became required, and blind spot monitoring, brake assist, lane keep assist, adaptive cruise control all became available features.
You can still buy a car without those, for sure, and unfortunately that still costs $12k unless you want 200k miles or rebuilt titles.
But as I’m shopping for my kids first car, I find it hard to draw the line on what safety features she can have vs not have, and suddenly a few safety features later, used cars cost $20k. A far cry from my first car that I bought for $1k and drove in to the ground.
suddenly a few safety features later
I’m curious what safety features in particular you consider necessary? I ask because all of the modern stuff you list (blind spot monitoring, brake assist, lane keep assist, adaptive cruise control) I’d argue are hardly necessary for anyone. Blind spot monitoring can be replaced by a $10 pair of blind spot mirrors and everything else is more of a convenience feature or something that can be replaced by instilling good habits into your teen about keeping attention on the road and not getting distracted with her phone or fiddling with the radio.
Absolutely, I think there’s an argument to be made for that too. Increased automation doesn’t necessarily increase safety when the skill of doing the task without the automation is lost. For example, hand flying planes has become a struggle for airline pilots that some argue have become overly reliant on automation to the point of it being a detriment to safety when something goes wrong and they can no longer handle an emergency situation without the automation being available to them.
For sure a 10-year-old used car in 2023 is massively safer than a 10-year-old used car in 2003. I don’t know if that can possibly explain how that 10yo used car in 2003 was $1000 (5% of 20ish k MSRP) and an equivalent 10yo used car in 2023 is $20k (75% of 30ish k MSRP - 20k inflation adjusted from 1993 to 2013). Of course these numbers are vibes based approximations and anecdotal, but it’s kind of my impression.
I would think the safety argument is already generally accounted for by inflation - Euro NCAP, NHTSA, etc. has been going pretty strong since the 90s. I don’t know if I buy that backup cameras and blind spot monitoring becoming standard in the late 2010s suddenly made cars retain all their value, because new cars got those features but the MSRPs of those cars was basically just increasing at ~the rate of inflation. Also while these cars are getting safer, they’re getting much more expensive to maintain, which you would expect to drive down used car prices. It’s strange for sure. The pandemic can’t bear the entire blame either though, since it was a trend that started before it. 2020 just supercharged it.
I bought a new car in 2018 for 19K. Everyone I know flipped at me for ‘wasting money’ and not buying a 5yo+ 10K car that looked like shit with 100K miles.
It’s now worth 21K, after 50K miles.
I’m looking at trading it in for a 35K car in the next two years, and watching the value on that car never go down either.
dude, everyone says the housing market will crash for 15+ year now.
We have to accept the old rules of economy are out the window. govt will bail and stimulate to no need the second the market slows down.
this is the new normal. truth is our inflated economy can’t ever allow housing values to go down anymore without causing a depression so the govt won’t allow it.
They definitely shouldn’t have flipped out at you about it, but that doesn’t mean they were wrong. Vehicles almost never appreciate in value; it just so happens that you accidentally timed the used car market perfectly.
The used car market is being strongly manipulated by the banks. Their inventory of repossessions has skyrocketed over the past few years, but they are limiting how many are going to auction so not to destroy the market and their margins. I’ve heard rumblings that with the push for EVs and their costs, carmakers are going to make them a service. You pay a monthly fee to use them and every few years you will get a new one. You will never own one outright. Who knows if this is true or not.
That’s basically a lease. Although it might not be a bad idea to lease an EV. It’s basically a battery with wheels. The battery will die someday, and when it does you may be better off getting a newer car with newer tech vs. replacing the battery in your older one.
Going car free is getting more affordable.
Either way, as someone stated above, they are price gouging. Covid taught them that fake shortage works and we will pay so they are milking us.
Housing, food, car, health care…
Yep, I have a cheap old Honda with low miles that will last me forever with proper care/maintenance. Because I leave it in the garage and bicycle everywhere I need on a daily basis. My bicycle gets more miles than my honda on an annual basis. Burn calories, stay in shape, save gas money and wear & tear on my vehicle seems like a win-win in my book.
I also specifically found a home within biking distance of everything I need on a daily basis so I rarely need to drive to get where I want to go
