What’s with all the downvotes?
Saw a few threads get blasted, and a de-federation post - did I miss the drama?
They say they advocate communism but in fact they’re a bunch of edgy Stalinism fanboys
That, I suppose.
But, they’re manuputing content, posting propaganda, brigading the votes in every thread.
Go read their comments, it’s a real classy group.
Ha, here’s a reply I got from their moderator:
Go and eat shit fed to you by your US masters as Europe crumbles, you pathetic eunuch.
https://lemm.ee/comment/898920
Their most active user also posts “news” and “politics” all over Lemmy, all day, every day.
Users from lemmygrad asking what’s wrong with their instance are just outing themselves as unhealthy users, as far as I’m concerned…
It’s a toxic echo-chamer full of misinformation and propaganda, akin to the donald on reddit with it’s hateful and delusional rhetoric in one massive circle-jerk.
Fuck that cesspool.
To be fair, I think a lot of us would be confused when we just straight up have never seen a comment from them before.
Seeing that, yeah…that’s pretty bad…
I meant users from lemmygrad asking what’s wrong with the instance. Not users from other instances. I edited my comment to be more clear.
I stumbled into that instance from all a few times when I first joined Lemmy 4 weeks ago. There were not nearly as many users on lemmy at that time, so there were a lot of posts from that instance showing up in my feed…
But as reddit’s 3rd party apps have ended and we’ve had a huge increase in active users, it has really drowned out that toxic instance from my feed. It’s a good thing to me hearing you say most users now are unaware of them. I hope they stay in obscurity or are defederated.
Yeah.
I’m not a ML; I more-or-less lean toward anarcho-communist ideals, and am generally sympathetic to anti-capitalists, though, and have wandered into Lemmygrad on more than a few occasions, especially before everyone else showed up and they were one of the more active corners of the space.
It’s always like that. They’re just angry trolls, riling each other up.
You may want to pass a screenshot of that message to your instance admins. Lemmy.world defederated from exploding heads after screenshots of messages by their admins like yours.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/908097
These guys are a treat.
I had never heard of them before, but then after the hack yesterday I saw a HUGE influx of their stuff and whatever the right-wing crap was too (something ‘explode’ or whatever). My whole feed was just filled with obvious propaganda crap that I would’ve expected from facebook.
Careful, they’ll shit BRICS if you keep up those kinds of comments. Just need to defederate and move on, leave them with the other idiots like the libertarians and flat earthers.
nobody here gives a shit if anything is newsworthy. Or true. Or propaganda. This place is a shit show.
I mean what did you expect, you came to their place and insulted them.
This tankie right there is especially not very bright. But, in other places, he’s invoking “dialectical materialism” like it’s some sort of Holy Grail that resolves “any of life’s issues”. Caesar on a cross… he reminds me of Edward Sallow’s poor understanding of “hegelian dialectics”
My neutral take: a lot of people, for various reasons, don’t like hardline communists.
Yup. I’m a leftist, so naturally hold some of the more “extreme” left views. But holy shit tankies will say anything to avoid admitting that communism has been abused throughout history. Lots of “Maybe those genocides and famines weren’t so bad” apologetics.
I put it this way:
I want to maximize the level of equality in our societies. I want a floor of poverty below which a citizen cannot fall and a ceiling of wealth beyond which a person cannot rise. I do not think the tested and failed ideas of a 19th century philosopher are worth putting more time and human misery into.
We can do better, we SHOULD have learned something in the last 100ish years.
My favorite take is “Stalin was right wing”.
Like how delusional can you get?
I am a bit uncomfortable with the word tankies. It really applies to a different group from a different time. It was a right wing slur that was used to paint trade unions and vanilla liberals as enemies of the state.
I would like a new word to help us describe the highly online left that was radicalized. Whose hatred of capitalism got so hot that they started to lionize horrifying 20th century communism.
I guess tankies will do, but it’s a really complicated word from a complicated time.
The original “tankies” were British communists who supported Soviet violence against Hungarian and Czechoslovak communists. The revolutionary regimes in those countries were led by their communist parties, but independent of the Soviet Union. So the tankies showed loyalty to Soviet imperial power against communism.
I agree. Some people use the term tankie to call someone out for supporting genocide or denying any wrong doings of any authoritarian regimes with even a tangential relation to communism. Other people use tankie to delegitimize people who support social services and government actually doing something for its citizens. The latter group uses the term to make those they label as tankies appear as if they are extremists akin to the first group which, unfortunately, stifles progress and discussion. In conclusion, real tankies, the term itself, and those who co-opt it to stifle actual progress all suck.
They are the worst kind of communists, they love russia and china but fail to understand neither are even close to being communist they are probably as far as you can get the other way
Exactly. Although there is much debate over what Marx envisioned when he put forward the idea of a Communist society, it certainly didn’t involve an authoritarian, single-party dictatorship where The Party oppresses the people.
Tankies are more Stalinist and Maoist apologists than actual communists.
Privileged, uneducated western kids that spend too much time on social media telling others how the world should look like.
I’m from Eastern Europe and if anyone here said Stalin was good actually they would get their ass kicked pretty fast. A lot of people have lost family to the soviet occupation here and people defending that monster aren’t really welcome. So yea, if I see posts praising Stalin in All I downvote them.