cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/10882099

Thankfully I don’t use any of their products, but this really pisses me off. They claim that this open source project “causes significant economic harm to their company”

This is ridiculous. It is truly ridiculous. How can something that enables the user to efficiently control their AC cause “significant economic harm”???

Consider forking the repository or mirroring it to another platform like GitLab, Codeberg or your self-hosted Git server, so the project can continue to exist and someone can maybe fork it and maintain it.

The effected repos are: https://github.com/Andre0512/hOn and https://github.com/Andre0512/pyhOn

If you don’t know about Home Assistant, check it out. It’s an amazing piece of open-source software, that you can run at home on your own server and use it to control your smart home devices. That way, you don’t need to connect them to the manufacturer’s (probably insecure) cloud. It gives you sovereignty over your smart home instead of some proprietary vendor-locked garbage. Check out their website and the Lemmy community: !homeassistant@lemmy.world

I also highly recommend Louis Rossmann’s video about this: https://youtu.be/RcSnd3cyti0

He makes awesome videos in general, consider subscribing.

As Rossmann said, don’t ever buy anything from such a shitty company that doesn’t respect their customers. This move by Haier is nothing other than a slap in the face for everyone, who just wants to comfortably control the product they paid for. This company is actively hostile towards their paying customers. Fuck these bastards!

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The developer commented the following:

Luckily I’m insured. I’ve contacted my legal expenses insurance and they’re covering a lawyer for the case. I will seek advice and see how an expert assesses the situation and then proceed.

Tldr, They are going to fight this!

Source: https://github.com/Andre0512/hon/issues/147#issuecomment-1892738060

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23 points

What sort of insurance is that and do I need to get some?

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43 points

The developer is German, in Germany it’s pretty common to have a Rechtsschutzversicherung. You pay them monthly or yearly and in exchange you can request legal advice from one of their lawyers af any time. It’s pretty neat.

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8 points

Wow, and it is a real lawyer? I e had employers with benefits that sound similar but I think only get things like templates for common documents like wills and contracts that you can get anywhere, or “free” co suits like you can get anywhere.

I actually do phage a upcoming minor legal need this year, and they couldn’t even tell me , using that as an example, what would the benefit cover?

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1 point

In America I just use my buddy Carl. He’s also my doctor.

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Germany sounds ridiculous with how many insurances you have to waste money and time on.

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23 points

It’s pretty common for freelance developers to have insurance like this - if I screw up and you get ransonwared, insurance pays for a lawyer to explain the contracts indemnity clause to you using small words

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1 point

But what if I saved money not talking to a lawyer and never had the client sign an indemnity?

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12 points

Not sure if it’s really the freelance/professional thing others mentioned. Private legal expense insurance (Rechtsschutzversicherung) is fairly common in Germany, so might just be that.

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5 points

Most home insurers in Western Europe provide with the coverage additional legal counsel / coverage in case someone claims we are liable for anything non motor related. And house insurance itself costs just a couple hundreds a year.

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4 points

my job has one for about ten bucks a month for employees. covers any need. estate planning, divorce, whatever.

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4 points

Most professions where action/inaction can result in damages will have similar insurance. Some insurance firms even specialize in coverage for professionals.

If your profession has an association or similar group, they should be able to help you find those firms if they exist.

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77 points

My guess is someone saw what was being built and said “hey, we can build something similar and sell it”, hence the C&D.

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66 points

Still a ridiculous move. If I buy an appliance, I pay for it and I own it. I am allowed to do with it whatever I want. If I want to use my own solution for controlling it, hosted on my own server, I should have every right to do so. Fuck corporations and their shitty cloud solutions.

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To be clear, I think the company are idiotic in the way they handled this, but I guess the integration probably hooked into the company’s cloud-based services - so their servers.

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36 points

Bad enough if a air conditioner needs cloud access for smart functions and doesn’t have a local api.

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23 points

The Apple iOS method. See a great app or product on your platform. If they won’t sell it or want to much Apple just makes their own version and prohibits the original.

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15 points

This is actually a thing and is called Sherlocking: https://thehustle.co/sherlocking-explained/

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Apple is so notorious at doing this, it’s not even funny anymore. The article didn’t mention these two famous sherlocking cases though:

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15 points

Except instead of something similar, it’s always something way, way worse.

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8 points

The EU really needs to start doing something about this kind of shit.

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4 points

The US does too, but fat chance of that happening.

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59 points

When asked for a statement, the company answered “Yes we’re idiots, and wanted everyone to know”

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22 points

@SharkAttak @Dehydrated way to ensure all internet searches on your brand deliver a “not compatible with stuff” impression to all prospective customers.

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2 points

Sadly, I know them as one company that makes dirt cheap TVs, so they’ll still keep making money.

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2 points

Cheaper than TCL?

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1 point

How accessible are the WiFi and IR chips inside their TVs? I haven’t tried TCL yet

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1 point

I almost certain you’re being sarcastic, but please tell me I’m wrong. If that quote is actually true, that would be fucking hilarious!

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2 points

I extrapolated and condensed based on the company actions.

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44 points

Better yet, make an example out of Haier. Prove to companies everywhere that allowing open source compatibility can only be good for them.

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33 points

Let’s prove to companies that hostility towards open source can be really bad for them

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13 points

I literally buy based off Home Assistant support. If it needs to be smart and it’s not supported by home assistant it’s not coming in the house.

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35 points

I was planning to replace a lot of my white goods this year.
This move has 100% eliminated Haier from any of my decisions.

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17 points

Make sure to check all of Haier’s subsidies. GE is one of them.

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