83 points

“Kentucky’s largest school system cancelled the second and third day of classes”

“…the bus for her two elementary school children was scheduled to pick them up at 6 a.m. for a 7:40 a.m. school start. The bus stop is almost a half-mile from their home and there are no sidewalks.”

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71 points

The paragraph after that makes it even worse:

Gomis called the district’s transportation department but was told nothing could be changed, she said. Kentucky law allows bus stops for elementary students to be up to a half-mile away while middle and high school students may walk up to one mile.

It probably doesn’t hurt a high schooler to walk a mile (although it would suck ass in the winter), but a half-mile for a first grader every morning no matter the weather? That should not be legal.

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41 points

I used to live closer than that to my elementary school and I was forbidden (by the school) from walking to school.

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13 points

That kinda sucks, used to live like 900m from mine and walked back from school every day since I started it.

Didn’t walk to the school because I was too hard to get up early enough for it and mom didn’t mind dropping me off in the morning

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That’s true for kids at my daughter’s middle school too, but I’m actually glad they don’t walk it because there aren’t even any sidewalks around the school, let alone between the schools and their houses. So some kids have a 90 minute bus ride and other kids have a 2 minute bus ride. All they have to do is build sidewalks and it will fix that problem.

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31 points

A half-mile is nothing. WHY ARE THERE NO SIDEWALKS?

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23 points

Sidewalks are for communists.

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9 points

Because it’s Kentucky?

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4 points

They have middlewalks instead

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12 points

It’s ok, the mine is closer they can just go there

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6 points

Our state requires “safe walking routes”. I’m not sure about the distance to a bus stop, but I know for walking to school it’s up to a mile for elementary school, if there are sidewalks. Otherwise they’re bussed.

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Why should half a mile of walking be illegal for first graders? There’s a solution to rain and snow: it’s called a jacket and umbrella. Source: I walked almost exactly half a mile to school in first grade.

Unless the weather is catastrophically bad, even first graders can walk half a mile.

The issue here is the carcentric, children-killing infrastructure, not the distance.

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26 points

and there are no sidewalks.

This tells you this sentence is about a Kentucky city.

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4 points

Not only Kentucky. I live in a rural California town of around 2000 people. There are no sidewalks except for the 1/4 mile in front of the elementary school, and that wasn’t built until a kid was hit by a car 6 years ago. Last year a 4th grader was killed by a drunk driver walking home from school on the main road through town - which has no sidewalk. Most of us drive our kids to and from school now, particularly since an attempted abduction happened earlier this year. Bus service is available, but costs $185 a year per child and requires being at the stop an hour before school starts. My daughter won’t let her kids walk the 1/4 mile to the bus stop unattended. Not in these times. I think the bus may become even more unpopular since the special ed driver was arrested last week for molesting kids.

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2 points

There are no sidewalks in my (very large) subdivision, but all of the roads are far wider than necessary and could absolutely have a sidewalk on each side. But since there aren’t any, you have to dodge people walking and jogging all the time. And people speed down the twisty roads too.

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-6 points

This is how kids get taken

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78 points

Even after increasing pay

Hmm, so what did they increase it to? Oh look only $20.65/hour., and I’ve heard of some school districts only paying during the driving meaning you show up for work early AM to pick up your bus as a driver and start being paid. You pick up and drop off kids for your routes. Now its maybe 9am. No more pay for you until you go back to the school and pick kids up again to take them home at maybe 2pm. I don’t know if this district does this, BTW.

$20.65/hour is way WAY too low for a job with lots of unpaid hours in the middle of the shift, and having to be responsible and deal with kids that can’t behave enough on a school bus.

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Unless the bus company let me drive somewhere else since I’m not being paid then I’d be filing wage complaints with the state department of labor…

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45 points

From experience, there is nothing preventing you from leaving, except that anything you do has to be close enough to the bus lot and meticulously scheduled to allow for you to drive from the bus lot to where you need to be and back while also allowing any prep time, especially if you need to pretrip your bus.

In other words, in theory, you can do whatever you want. In practice, you’re straight up tethered to that lot. I worked out my actual pay last year. I made $22/hrs working for a major national transportation service. My average paid time was about 6.5 hours. My layover time was two separate segments. I had 2.5 hours of driving in the AM, about 1.5 in the late AM, and another 2.5 in the PM. These were separate by 2 hours, and then 2.5 hours. So, the reality of this schedule meant that I couldn’t do much of anything on my downtime. I was obligated to 11 hours, only 6.5 of which I was paid. So, the reality was that I was making $13/hr. That math convinced me not to return this year. That, and my shit benefits caused me to get a $1,400 lab bill for work that was only $45 on my previous insurance. They screw you. They screw you coming, they screw you going, and anything that goes wrong is always your fault, while they’re quick to take credit when things go well.

It ain’t worth it.

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66 points

They REALLY lowballed the funding when some locations have a stop half mile away on top of being slow and inefficient due to lack of drivers and driver training.

Why even pay a firm for optimal route planning if you dont even have the personel to execute it.

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So I can’t speak to every school district across the country, but I can speak for the one I worked in and there’s a (good/bad, you be the judge) reason for that.

In my state the language is explicitly may provide transportation. So that means it’s something they take upon themselves. They get money for transportation from the feds/state obviously, but let’s all be honest that it’s a drop in the bucket to what it should be. And it’s not an easy job to coordinate. I don’t know the particulars of this system, but the county I worked for had some absolute backwater areas in its district. We’re talking thirty minutes up/down mountain roads to the nearest school.

Add onto the funding issues that, like you said, there is a noticeable lack of drivers. They don’t get benefits, they get shit pay, AND they have to have a Driver’s License endorsement that entitles them to MUCH better opportunities in private sector.

Not that I’m saying any of this applies to this scenario or excuses it, but until you actually get a glimpse into the sausage factory it’s really easy to mischaracterize something as complex as insuring a bus for every child who needs it as a simple problem. I’m willing to speak for Transportation Directors across all schoolboards that the overwhelming majority of them are absolutely terrified of this scenario occurring in their district.

Edit: I will add that even though it was a relatively podunk district with some of the most rural locals in my state, the district I worked for did insist that they do house-to-house, meaning none of that 1/2 mile - 1 mile stops. And they elected to do that themselves.

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One of the big issues is that school districts get funding based on things like property taxes, or geographic location. The result is that affluent districts or schools are will funded and have good services, and others do not. There may also be some willful underfunding in some places as well by folks that balk at any taxes or bonds that don’t help them immediately.

However, even an underfunded district should have been able to see this plan would have issue and raised a red flag with the community in advance.

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However, even an underfunded district should have been able to see this plan would have issue and raised a red flag with the community in advance.

Honestly, I don’t think that would have stopped anything. One thing made abundantly clear to me from my time in that particular BoE is that the vocal minority literally could not care less. There were more people than I would have imagined griping and complaining that the busses weren’t running to their area, despite the fact it is ultimately the parent’s responsibility, and also despite the fact that they themselves weren’t willing to grab an S endorsement and do the job themselves for not only their child but other people’s as well.

And don’t get me wrong, parents should have been notified and honestly this should have been trialed before opening day. But this would still be an article and people would still be up in arms because, sadly, it’s often the loudest in the room that seem to lack the ability to take personal responsibility.

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I didn’t really live that rural… I… don’t think? but I was dropped off a half mile walk from my house because the bus would have had to back up a quarter mile to actually drop me off any closer, and I’d still have to walk a quarter mile because the bus couldn’t get down the gravel driveway. One side was a 26-foot deep man made pond (17 foot deep at the dam), the other side was a 15 foot drop into a marsh, with a dam between them passing under the driveway. Nothin doin.

When we got new drivers some of them tried but it was so uncomfortable for me to have caused that situation I just told them not to bother… I was 10, used to it, so it was whatever.

When I was like 13 my mom forgot to pick me up from wrestling practice and I had to walk 12 miles home in the dark along the highway. She didn’t realize I wasn’t there until I walked in at like 10:30… That wasn’t a lot of fun. That’s not really related to the bus issue, other than I wasn’t really that far from the school, I just felt the need to offload it. :)

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There are hundreds of administrators in this school district making six figures. The main administrator makes 300k+ if we didn’t have enough drivers these tax payer funded jerkoffs could’ve been out driving these buses and getting these kids home safely. JCPS likes to waste money year in and year out and every single year they do something embarrassing. This one was top tier embarrassing.

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Better cut more funding for K-12! Some of these kids can still tell time!

The US has collapsed, most just aren’t willing to admit it to themselves.

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JCPS is not suffering for funding. A big part of the issue is they used shitty software to plan a bus route. On top of it being notoriously hard for keeping drivers in the district.

Edit: but shit like this happens and the R’s that control the state are going to start calling for the funding to be slashed, because might as well, its already one of the worst in the state.

JCPS needs a massive overhaul. Something big needs to change.

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The drivers aren’t vanishing in the night at the hands of shadowy cabal.

It’s “notoriously hard for keeping drivers” because the money needed to keep them has been pocketed by administrators or politicians. That’s why their wages keep going up but the wages of everyone below them keep going down.

It’s a problem with an identifiable cause and known solution, and it needs to be said out loud every time.

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Yea, I said that in another comment.

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“On top of it being notoriously hard for keeping drivers in the district.”

If you pay them, they will drive. If you raise them adequately regularly, they will stay.

Just like the national “teacher shortage” because we pay them dogshit relative to their education, tell them they’re spoiled and don’t even deserve dogshit, and then blame the few still showing up for poor outcomes. Then, when kids recognize that getting into teaching makes you a sucker, we cry tears of blood about classroom sizes as if we can’t trace back why.

We should take half the defense budget for 10 years and put it into rebuilding the utter ruin that is public K-12, in order of the states with the worst outcomes, if we want to even compete in the future. We of course won’t though. We’ll jist keep saying “if only there was something we could dooooooooo…”

Ooh I know, we should cut rich peoples taxes yet again, that’ll help this time for sure!

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