A former Internal Revenue Service contractor, who leaked tax information about Donald Trump and other wealthy individuals to news organizations, got his job to intentionally to spread the confidential records, according to Justice Department prosecutors.

Charles Edward Littlejohn, 38, of Washington, pleaded guilty in October to unauthorized disclosure of tax return and return information. U.S. District Judge Ana Reye scheduled sentencing for Jan. 29. Prosecutors recommended Tuesday he receive the maximum sentence of five years in prison.

“After applying to work as an IRS consultant with the intention of accessing and disclosing tax returns, Defendant weaponized his access to unmasked taxpayer data to further his own personal, political agenda, believing that he was above the law,” wrote prosecutors Corey Amundson, chief of the Justice Department’s public integrity section, Jennifer Clarke and Jonathan Jacobson.

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I’m guessing I’m going to have the most hated opinion on this. But fuck that person. I get a lot of people want to celebrate it as “person had to commit a crime so that they could point out crimes being committed by Trump” but ultimately this wrecks public trust of an institution, of which the IRS doesn’t exactly enjoy a lot of it to begin with. And if we don’t have trust in our government, it’s doesn’t matter, we’re fuck Trump won.

This whole thing, literally proves the argument of “weaponizing Government”. This person walked into the IRS, had an agenda, and was absolutely going to abuse their position to make a point that they had zero legal right to make. Did anyone directly tell them to do the thing? No. Was there a lot of talking heads that might have colored this person’s opinion about Trump? You better believe it. So no one “directly” weaponized this person, but someone would be hard pressed to convince me it wasn’t indirect. Which brings up the question of, are we a nation of laws or vendettas? Do we settle our beef in court without blood or are we just finding out who can sneak the most without getting noticed?

I get it, I don’t like Trump either, BUT NOT LIKE THIS. This is too far. This person is no hero, they violated the law and even worse abused public trust. If we don’t have public trust, if we’re just celebrating when someone takes the piss on an oath to obey the law (which IRS employees take), then we have nothing defensible. We’re literally talking about the shit that we’re going after Trump for, violations of his oath to defend the Constitution and uphold the law.

If we’re violating laws because “trust me bro, it’ll be worth it” then the laws mean nothing. I get it, too long have we had our faith in this system forsake us. Too many rich assholes bend the law to their whim to escape actual persecution, so “it’s okay to rob from the rich to give to the poor every once and awhile”. But that’s actually not how we solve things, that’s just gasoline to make things even worse.

Acting above the law doesn’t always mean, you get away with it. Acting above the law means, that you don’t view the law as always being a guiding principal. That sometimes, somethings require operating outside of the law. No matter the consequences. That the ends justify the means. And if we aren’t able to hold enough faith to believe that the law will eventually ring out and that we can eventually find enough justice in this world…

Hang it up, we’re done here. Because that’s all that’s holding any democracy together. Faith, blind faith, sometimes dumb faith that we’re all going to do the thing we promised to do, and that we’re all going to come together when that’s violated. It’s easy and quick to settle a grudge with fists but a lasting peace and understanding comes from settling it with our minds and voices. Breaking laws to expose Trump’s crimes, that’s not a victory for democracy, that’s just a victory for people who don’t like Trump.

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Nah, this is not going to get through with people.

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Your legal system exists to protect itself and the ruling class, it is not just, it is indefensible.

This person sacrificed themselves to bring to light one small part of the injustices you allow to perpetuate. They’re a hero, you’re a problem.

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Your legal system exists to protect itself and the ruling class, it is indefensible

Well the obvious question. What system would you have it replaced with?

This person sacrificed themselves to bring to light one small part of the injustices you allow to perpetuate

And this person has now also made it where everyone will ask, “if this person existed in the IRS, how do we know there are not more?” This is how distrust gets sown. This is how the IRS loses more funding. This is exactly how “ruling class” gets even less oversight. This is how these people, you want to go after, get away with it. This person didn’t solve anything, they made it worse.

That person’s is absolutely heading to jail on the 29th. Where’s Trump at the moment? You think you got some sort of win?

They’re a hero, your a problem

They are going to jail and will likely never have the right to vote ever again in their life. I can still vote for a different world than the one we currently live in.

So if you think this “solved” something, then you didn’t understand the problem. I’m just going to tell you, this kind of tit for tat stuff. We won’t survive it. Every hero ultimately turns into a Robespierre. We don’t solve this with a single person, we solve it together, otherwise we don’t solve it period.

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Yes, you’ve identified the real crux of the issue. All Americans have great trust and respect for the IRS, and Mr Littlejohn’s actions might erode some fraction of some fraction of that undeserved trust and respect. Oh, the humanity.

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Replace it with one where people have a say and not a ruling class?

There’s enough anarchist/communist/leftist literature out there discussing these issues, they’re not new.

And the idea that you can vote your way out of this mess is adorable, naive, but adorable.

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And this person has now also made it where everyone will ask, “if this person existed in the IRS, how do we know there are not more?” This is how distrust gets sown. This is how the IRS loses more funding

The kind of people who meaningfully distrust the IRS aren’t interested in facts. The kind of people who want to defund the IRS also have a tenuous connection to truth, justice, and good ideas.

In general I agree that we shouldn’t willy-nilly break the laws. But specific beats general in my mind. I don’t think the costs of this will be very high.

Also like how do you feel about jury nullification?

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You are looking at this completely backwards. Civil disobedience is absolutely necessary to help create just laws. Do not confuse civil disobedience and vigilantism.

Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law.

  • Martin Luther King Jr. [Source]
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This wasn’t an unjust law though. No one wants the IRS publicizing their tax return details. It happened to a guy you don’t like, but that doesn’t make the action a good thing.

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The injustice I see this as highlighting is not the existence of a law preventing the disclosure of confidential tax information, but the lack of a law requiring the President to disclose their tax information.

Presidents releasing their tax returns has been a historical precedent, but has not been codified into law. Trump promised to release his tax returns but then refused.

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Shockingly, history shows us that when the people entrusted with upholding and enforcing the law themselves become lawless, you generally end up with society “taking matters into their own hands.”

Considering elected officials and unelected officials blatantly getting away with wrongdoing has been happening since before I was born and I am officially a fucking old person, the idea that this is just about Trump and not about a legal system that is so broken that it has turned into the early Legalism phase of Fascism just reeks of missing the point, the historical examples, and how long this has been happening.

We let war criminals off the hook less than twenty years ago, and that’s not even the half of it, going all the way back to Nixon, at the very least.

It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that the chance to fix things “within the system” flew the coop decades ago. Clarence Thomas and Gini Thomas are proof enough alone of that, let alone the three Justices who served on the legal team that helped get George W. Bush (cough War Criminal cough) get elected who all somehow ended up on the Supreme Court.

I will say, the parts that do have to do with Trump are pretty damning, though, too. Merrick Garland’s hand was practically forced to bring charges against Trump. It literally took the classified documents case and Trump being so belligerently stupid with classified information that they could no longer look the other way. Why did he wait so long? To “not look political?” All it did was make him look political. A guy hiding behind politics so he wouldn’t have to hold the political hot potato of indicting a former President. Ended up having to anyway because this guy in particular is so criminally insane.

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It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that the chance to fix things “within the system” flew the coop decades ago

I don’t disagree with the rest of your comment. But I see the younger generation of our time and I have hope. Maybe foolish hope. Myself being part of the fucking old person crew. I don’t think we’re yet too far gone, but my goodness you’re right, if it hasn’t flown the coop yet, it’s already got it’s boarding pass.

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I have a lot of hope in the youth as well! However, I try not to let that cloud me to the reality of a government that was never really created to represent all its citizens. America has had its good times, and it has had its time when its been a leader, hell it’s still a leader in many ways, but so much of the power is so entrenched, I also worry for the youth’s future.

I don’t think your opinion is really unpopular per se, as much as many of us wonder if it’s even possible anymore. God, if only we could still live in that world! If I could have faith that the people around me were participating in the systems therein in good faith, I wouldn’t feel the way I do about the whole situation.

Cheers, mate. Thanks, by the way, for being willing to hear my perspective. It’s nice when folks can find their common ground.

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Based

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EDIT II: I am indeed apparently quoting the prosecutors. Whoopsie doodles. Prosecutors are generally ass people, too, of course. Leaving the original for my shame.


Defendant weaponized his access to unmasked taxpayer data to further his own personal, political agenda, believing that he was above the law

Literally no one who does something like this thinks they’re above the law when they’re just doing to force our elected officials to comply with the law.

Fucking judges man, they’re just as shitty as fucking cops. Look at this fucking holier than thou bullshit attitude from this asswipe. The number of judges who equate the law with morality and ethics is too damn high. The number of judges who trust the cops word over anyone else’s simply because they’re a cop is too damn high.

I got read the riot act by a judge over weed once. I may as well have been dealing with a priest I got so much holier than thou how dangerous you are bullshit over fucking WEED.

AJAB.

EDIT: I mean, hell, you want a real disgusting example of this? Go look at the court history around the prosecution of Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg got lucky, because he was absolutely treated similarly by the judge, as though he “thought he was above the law” and not that he was trying to correct an injustice. I guess judges only like it when they can “correct” an “injustice.”

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Literally no one who does something like this thinks they’re above the law when they’re just doing to force our elected officials to comply with the law.

This didn’t force any elected officials to comply with the law. As much as I dislike Trump and hope he goes to jail for his actual crimes, not releasing his taxes is not against the law.

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You quoted the prosecutors, not the judge…

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Good catch, edited for shaming purposes.

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Good. Fuck Trump.

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Lol you sound like a loser.

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Fuck Trump and fuck you too 👍

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Your username is rare pepe collector

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More today, in pointing out the obvious.

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And you sound like someone who puts their political stooges on a pedestal.

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American hero

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