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TL;DR company shady

The main 3 points seem to be: China-owned, predatory loan applications, and spreading themselves across too many concept/trend browser spinoffs. Honestly this is kinda old news and won’t stop anyone I know from using the thing. You can’t just say they’re “probably” harvesting your data for “nefarious” reasons and expect people to all jump to Firefox (as nice as that may be).

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I’d add a fourth main point: they have a documented history of creating browsers and then abandoning them, leaving any unaware users without security updates indefinitely

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Also Chrome…

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Please, yes!! If anything will make a chance, that will. Google keeps trying to subvert the internet with their FLoC and Topics crap. And the other thing recently with the “trusted” web environment thing.

A lot of their plans get watered down but still…

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I only use Brave if I need a Chrome based browser. Otherwise I use Firefox.

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7 points

Sticking with Vivaldi if I need a Chrome fix

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if I need a Chrome based browser

I don’t think Chromium has “gone bad”? They make a WIndows and macOS build too, not just Linux: https://chromium.woolyss.com/download/en/

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This is a great read. Never knew Opera transitioned to an enshittified abomination of crypto spyware and bloatware.

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It used to be great… A truly innovative browser that had so many features that even browsers today don’t have.

I switched away from it when they switched to the Blink engine, probably around 2012 or so? It’s been all downhill since then.

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Same, used Opera religiously back in the day, so much more functional than the rest. Switched to Chrome (yes yes, I know) when it started going downhill.

Chrome still doesn’t have the ability to set a shortcut for “switch to previous tab”, have to use a plugin for that 🙄

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Try Vivaldi, it’s made by former opera Devs from before opera became Chinese

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It’s good but I don’t want to contribute to the HTML/Webkit/Blink monoculture. We need multiple browser engines in the world. That’s one of the reasons I use Firefox.

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@dan They did try to bring back some stuff in the later years, like an integrated RSS feed reader. But Firefox is just way better than anything else overall. Including the fact that it comes from an organization that puts privacy further up in the list of priorities.

@BaroqueInMind

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I did, but yes, great to read all the details again now.

:thumbs-up

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Opera today is essentially totally different to the innovative browser from the 2000s. I miss the old Opera.

Vivaldi is trying to become its replacement, but I don’t really want to contribute to the KHTML/Blink/Webkit monoculture.

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Stop using proprietary bullshit altogether

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