I often hear, “You should never cheap out on a good office chair, shoes, underpants, backpack etc…” but what are some items that you would feel OK to cheap out on?

This can by anything from items such as: expensive clothing brands to general groceries.

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computer keyboards i will never understand paying more than 20 bucks for one

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Then you should avoid going down the rabbit hole of mechanical keyboards.

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I made this mistake, some friend talked me on to them. I wouldn’t say worst mistake, caz I have a nice keyboard now, but dang it was expensive and not even close as good as how much it was hyped.

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I bought a couple different super cheap mechs (browns for when my partner is sleeping, blues for KLIK KLACC) and they’re SO MUCH BETTER than I expected. They were under 40USD each and have full RGB.

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I thought the same with a cheap mechanical I bought, then I tried to go back to my old, still usable keyboard after some days and for some reason it doesn’t feel so usable anymore.

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A basic mechanical keyboard will last 20+ years and will be a nice typing experience for all those years. I’m old enough to have seen mechanical keyboards go for 20 or more years under heavy use and plenty of non-mechanical keyboards going bad after 5 years or so with similar use. It’s a great purchase.

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The best rabbit hole!

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My refurbished IBM Model M from 1984 agrees.

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I agree in principle, but knowing what people pay for a kb that doesn’t even have a numpad I would raise the usefulness cutoff to around 100.

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My nice mechanical keyboard is 13 years old. They last, and if you’re going to have something for decades, why not have a nice one?

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I’m not sure if it’s still the case but even in cheap keyboards if you pay a bit more you they will have better controller that will let you press more keys at once which is important for gaming. I got my mechanical keyboard couple years ago and overnight I stopped making so many typos and I can type much faster. My plan was to check the keyboard out for a week, write a ton of documentation for work and send it back but now I don’t regret paying extra for it, in fact I think it’s the second most important component of you computer after the fastest hard drive you can get.

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the fastest hard drive you can get.

I’m assuming that by “hard drive”, you mean “don’t actually use a hard drive unless you need extra storage”. You’d want an SSD for speed.

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More helpful advice is don’t spend money on gaming anything. It’s 10x more expensive and it’s fucking shit. The industry sees gamers are marks and will absolutely fleece you on overpriced and horrible quality ‘gaming’ products which are cheaply made and planned obsolesce to shit.

You can get a way more comfortable experience at a way lower cost by buying office equipment instead. I have a logitech wireless headset that has been in use for 2 years, and in storage for another 2. I plugged it in and it still fucking works. The literal foam on the ears has dusted away but everything else about it is just as good as when I bought it. The same can’t be said for my crappy gaming headset which was uncomfortable out of the box, hardly lasted a full year before deteriorating, and is now all but inoperable. Not user serviceable, either.

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My Logitech g35 gaming headset worked for near 15 years before crapping the bed. With near daily use for several hours at a time.

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If you can’t tell the difference between a super cheap keyboard and a well built one, fair enough.

If you like one of the things you use for a considerable portion of the day to feel nice to use and last more than two years, spend more. I spent an absurd amount on a keyboard about a year ago (like a week’s pay kind of absurd) and I haven’t regretted it for a second.

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I have tried 3 different mechanical keyboards, two of them in the three digits. I went back to rubber dome because I couldn’t care less about cherry switches.

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All your basic staples: salt, flour, oil, sugar, pasta, pasta, milk, eggs etc. There’s literally nothing to do better or worse, so for god’s sake don’t pay for the label. Fancy olive oil is nicer, and fancy butter for actually putting on bread is nice too - but for cooking, cheap the hell out.

Get your spices from an Indian / Asian / etc grocer - you can get a huge bag for the price of a tiny supermarket jar, and because they have so much turnover, they’ll be plenty fresh.

Store-brand laundry detergent and dishwasher tablets work just fine for me (and dear god you can save a lot on those).

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Great advice for the most part but I very much disagree on dishwasher detergent. Nothing works as well as finish pods for us. Could be our dishwasher of course but all the cheap brands leave our dishes dirty.

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4 points

Same thing. I was considering buying a new dishwasher, until we switched to a good brand. I think cheap dishwasher detergent used to be ok until they removed phosphates around 2010.

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Phosphates were the secret behind all good cleaners for sure.

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All your basic staples: salt, flour, oil, sugar, pasta, pasta, milk, eggs

It depends. Cheap salt is just fine. And flour, unless you’re into baking. But some things can make a difference and you don’t necessarily have to pay a lot more for it.

Pasta, for example. Bronze cut pasta absorbs sauce a lot better than “normal” pasta. It looks dull, rough, and pale as opposed to shiny and smooth. It usually only costs a buck or two more. I find it’s a big step up taste and texture-wise.

Or butter. The ones without natural flavor taste better. Sometimes it’s the store brand that doesn’t have added flavor.

And eggs. Orange yolks are way better than the pale yellow ones. But those you do have to shell out for.

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Eggs isn’t true. The only thing you’re buying is for sound of mind for ethically raised chickens and the orange color of the yolk specifically for things where you need that nice orange color.

Nutrients aren’t statistically significant. Taste has no difference. Especially if you aren’t eating them plain.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0YY7K7Xa5rE&start=930

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Agree no difference as an ingredient in some baked dish.

But if you are eating the egg by itself or as the primary item, there is definitely a difference in taste. Not a revolutionary change your life difference, but still a difference.

In my experience the difference is pretty small amongst the options in the grocery store, but fairly noticable for eggs I get from the farmers market.

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Chicken wrangler here. This may be true of supermarket eggs but should not be taken to imply that all eggs are the same.

Perhaps there isn’t a huge difference between the different labels available at the supermarket.

However, I’m incredulous that there is no difference between an egg laid by a backyard chicken who is well cared for and has a varied nutritious diet, and that which you’ll find at the supermarket.

I realise you (and youtube guy) are not talking about backyard eggs, but just because “pastured eggs” are not significantly different to cage eggs, that does not mean that it’s not possible to buy proper eggs.

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Eggs I always buy free-range because yeah it makes a difference to taste (and is so much kinder to the chickens), but in the UK butter is butter. I know in the US you have butter that’s practically white but here’s it’s all yellow and tasty. Flour every brand has plain, self raising and bread flour and those categories are pretty similar across brands.

Milk, the filtered stuff (Cravendale or similar) is nicer but not much nicer so it’s not worth the upgrade IMO

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Just to reply to “it’s so much kinder to the chickens”, I hate to break it to you but “free range eggs” is a scam. Here’s a (very opinionated) article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/free-range-eggs-con-ethical

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Oh yeah, the yellow European style butter was a revelation when I found out about it. It tastes way better and is less watery than the pale American butter.

I never heard of filtered milk. Milk is milk for the most part, but once I made the mistake of buying it on clearance. Grabbed it without looking because the price for a normal gallon freaked me out. It wasn’t spoiled, but it was super watery and had a weird color.

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25 points

Wait wait wait. Your butter has flavouring added? Like, I realise I’m spoiled here in Ireland, but fuck mei can’t even picture what that might be

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2 points

diacetyl is typically used as butter aroma

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Irish butter is sold in a lot of grocery stores at least around me in the U.S. and my God it’s night and day compared to our shit sicks of fuck

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That was my exact reaction! But butter is literally nothing but churned cream and possibly salt added? If there’s anything else added, such as water or any kinds of oils, it’s no longer butter. I get more scared every time I learn something new about US food culture…

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Agreed. The store brand pasta at my store sucks. It’s sticky and falls apart. It used to be fine but something changed recently.

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For bronze cut pasta, De Cecco is the brand to look for

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2 points

This has been my favorite dried pasta! I used to get it off Amazon before my grocery store carried it, and I can still get more shares online. I like three orrichetti and radiatorre(sp?)!

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Flour - disagree. King Arthur for baking vs your basic supermarket crap is a tangible taste and texture difference in baking. While you’re at it, get a mill and buy organic wheat berries and save money for higher quality l, more nutritious flour. It’s literally cheaper to get better quality if you are willing to mill it.

Butter- Same for butter if you’re using butter as a spread. It’s ok to use cheap stuff in cooking but if it’s the main complementary flavor, like butter on toast, treat yo self to some Kerry Gold.

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I’d even suggest buying laundry detergent in bulk online.

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Agree on spices, bulk and into the freezer. Cheap spices aren’t just as good, they are better.

I used to agree on flour, got good bread flour but recently husband brought me store brand unbleached white flour and it near killed my sourdough starter, so my mind is changed on that - I’d still use it for cake, but cheap flour is low protein and won’t work for everything.

Disagree on pasta too, good pasta is easier to cook, doesn’t turn to mush as easily.

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Bread, cake, and all purpose flours are different. It’s not just cheap, they are almost different products.

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Yes. I’d always used whatever brand all purpose unbleached flour for the starter and figured it didn’t matter. So I always asked for “Gold Medal Bread Flour and whatever brand all purpose unbleached flour”. But the Publix brand all purpose unbleached wrecked my starter. It took almost the whole bag before I figured out it was the flour, because I didn’t realize they varied.

It’s actually quite good for pancakes. Maybe it’s good for biscuits, that would actually make sense. But it’s no good for bread; but Gold Medal or King Arthur unbleached all purpose work fine.

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I always buy the cheapest pasta available and they’ve always been good. Just last week, the store brand (Complements) was cheapest for the first time I’ve seen, and it was also my first time experiencing bad pasta. I don’t know what they did differently, but there’s clearly a way to mess it up.

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You’re absolutely wrong about flour. There’s a huge difference in flours (besides the cursory fact that most wheat undergoes a process called desiccation which is literally spraying it with roundup).

I’ll take my glyphosate-free wheat and corn and I won’t be cheaping out thank you very much, Toxic Avenger.

You are also missing the FACT that the other essentials you name are also badly polluted with chemicals that medical science has yet to understand.

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Be careful with cheap spices, some of them (like turmeric) can be laced with lead and other nasty stuff to make them more attractive.

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Uhh, yes they do. This does not take much googling to find out. Capitalist companies produce spices in the east too.

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I buy them exclusively so I slowly become leader.

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I’d hope this isn’t a concern in any country with even a small account of regulation on what you’re allowed to sell or on whether you’re allowed to murder people

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Well, most of these spices are imported (in western countries), and it’s hard to tell how often they’re tested. There are some tests you can do at home (for example, turmeric should apparently not dissolve in water, so if you drop a spoonful in a glass and look at it after 20min, the water should still be relatively clear, or it means there are other additives).

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How does lead make them more attractive? The weight?

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It makes them sexy. Stupid, sexy lead-additives.

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Color.

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Nonstick pan for eggs. Get the cheapest. Only use for eggs. Replace if coating damaged.

Does not apply to any other cooking ware tho

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This is horrible advice. Cheap nonstick flakes nasty teflon chemicals into your food. Shitty advice

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Cheap nonstick flakes nasty teflon chemicals into your food.

All Teflon coatings will degrade if abused. Getting expensive nonstick just makes you want to use it longer than you should (sunk cost), and abuse it because it’s “more durable”.

So get a cheap T-fal, be very careful with it, always handwash, never use metal utensils, dispose if damaged at all, and only use for eggs.

Lastly, If you can’t use a nonstick pan carefully every time, just don’t use nonstick at all.

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Do people really buy pans for just eggs though? I’ve always used my regular pans for cooking eggs and if I’m storing them in my home I’d want them to cook more than just eggs.

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Some people do, yeah. I’ve always used stainless steel cause it’s what I had. Takes a little practice to get it to not stick, but after that it’s fine. I heat the empty pan on medium, medium high until it’s pretty hot. If you add a drop of water, it should bead up and roll. Then add the oil, wait until it shimmers, and add the eggs.

Enameled cast iron is nice too. It’s non-stick and not as heavy as a regular cast iron.

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Get cast iron instead, and never worry about having to replace it

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I have cast iron, I use it often, but I don’t like using it for eggs in the morning.

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I’m with you. Started working to eliminate Teflon from the kitchen and went full cast iron, but eggs were still a challenge… Until someone turned me on to carbon steel.

It’s lighter (not as light as an aluminum pan with Teflon, but significantly lighter than cast iron) and takes the same abuse and seasoning as cast iron.

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If it’s seasoned well enough it will work great with eggs

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No idea why you’re downvoted. Seasoning a cast iron pan sufficiently enough to fry an egg is challenging, whereas most chefs will use a non-stick pan solely for this purpose. It’s basically the one thing that non-stick is good at.

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I’m gonna disagree. Cheap nonstick pans are horrible and just contribute to unnecessary waste plus you have no idea what’s in that coating. Carbon steel or cast iron, when properly seasoned, are just as non stick as a “non stick” coated pan and will literally last forever. They’re also WAY more useful than a nonstick since you can use them with almost any heat source and any temperature.

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Can even toss em in the oven if you want. Love my cast irons. I specifically got my partner a baby cast iron for eggs since she loves eggs.

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I’ve never had a nonstick pan I’ve personally owned go bad, because I use it for the right things. Low heat only, hands wash, and only use silicone utensils. Whenever I see other people with shitty non sticks it’s because they abuse them horribly. Searing things and using metal utensils and throwing them in the dishwasher or scrubbing the hell out of them. I love cast iron too, but I can never get them to not stick with low heat.

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feel OK to cheap out on?

This can by anything from items such as: expensive clothing

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Things which are commodity items, such as sugar, all-purpose flour, etc. I buy store brand. The main difference is marketing.

Oh, here’s one: Power tools. Yeah I know, I know. But…

here’s a Porter-Cable branded 6-inch jointer on sale for $365 at time of writing.

Here’s a Craftsman branded jointer being sold for $299.

Here’s a Wen branded jointer for $241.

Look at the three of them. They bear a striking resemblance, don’t they? Makes sense for the Porter Cable/Craftsman ones, both brands are currently owned by Stanley, Black and Decker…but Wen has nothing to do with them, yet they’re selling the same fuggin’ jointer. Admittedly without the speed control, but what do you need a speed control on a jointer for?

It’s the same tool made in the same factory in China, the cost difference is what logo you’re willing to pay for.

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At minimum the cheap ones have lower QA tolerances on components. Sometimes they straight up swap in shittier components (eg: plastic instead of metal, etc).

Not saying you always need the most expensive option when choosing power tools, but looks same != same.

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I agree. For power tools, especially where decent accuracy is key like it is with a jointer, definitely more of a “do your research, price is not equal to quality,” not “you can do fine with any cheap one.”

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A rule that I stole for tools is to buy a used or cheap one. If it breaks I buy the better version. If it don’t break then I don’t need it at all.

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Harbor Freight first. If it breaks then Festool.

Just kidding. I can’t afford Festool. If the Hercules breaks I get Makita. So far I haven’t had one break. Though I probably need to get the corded circular saw because even the best battery ones choke on wet treated boards.

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In the US, DeWalt and Milwaukee are tradesman-grade tools if you get the 18V-20V versions. But I agree that the average person can buy any Ryobi or Harbor Freight special and get by fine.

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yeah thats a great stategy. Not sure where you are but in Europe, Aldi and Lidl have the notorious “center isle” where one can buy hand and bench tools, all the way up to band saws.

I broke my shitty center isle heat gun and now have a makita, outgrew my butane soldering iron and now have a webber, but I’m still rocking my center isle reciprecating saw and circular saw cause they work just fine and I dont use them enough.

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We have the aldi centre isle in Australia as well! 😀

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