Just wait until you’ve heard about the war crime that is Ohio Valley-style pizza
This person must be from Chicago if they are describing their tomato casserole as a pizza. If Chicago can have their pizza crime, let others do as they please and get off your high horse.
Let’s not even get into how overrated New York pizza is.
No it’s not.
I have had pizza all over the us and Chicago thin crust is different than just a regular hand tossed
Chicago people can never believe that anything they have could possibly exist anywhere else, or, even worse, have pre-existed the Chicago version, which is usually exactly the same or slightly worse.
You can observe this in the wild; just start doing literally anything with a person from Chicago and at some point they will stop and mention “this is nice, but in Chicago we have…” and then go on to describe the same thing.
the hilarity here is that nyc pizza is pedestrian trash. any ‘pie’ you can fold like a newspaper isn’t worth the time. detroit, chicago, hell, give me classic Neapolitan pizzas, so much more interesting than weakly sauced floppy dough ‘from the city’.
You’re tripping. Pizza from NYC is the best. NYC style pizza elsewhere is just whatever
I always thought new york style was the McDonald’s equivalent of pizza. It’s fine, but not really exciting or anything.
I sincerely hope the Italians are asleep and don’t see any of the fuckin grease-abortions in this thread 😂
Pizza is a flatbread, not a fuckin coronary
Pizza is a multinational dish made in a variety of places by a variety of people with a variety of recipes.
If the dish never changed, then it doesn’t even get tomatoes on it because those were brought to Europe after the first pizza was invented.
Italian food snobbery is the most confusing, since a lot of their key ingredients weren’t even brought to the country until comparatively recently.
And it discounts all the actual Italians who left Italy and went other places as not making Italian food.
And also the people in other parts of Italy, since they actually have a lot of different variants on the dish, even in Italy.
Italian snobbery isn’t surprising at all, it’s a deeply conservative country. Steadfast adherence to cultural norms is the predictable behavior of a state with a strong religious backbone. They won’t even stop electing actual fascists (a true Italian invention.)
Italy is weird because their greatest food contributions were created by poor people. Pizza, pasta, and lasagna were created to stretch the tiny amount of meat people could afford.
And almost all of the people who left the country were poor. So the actual creators of the original foods left and their descendants created new varieties. Now the richer descendants who were able to stay in Italy want to say these foods are not “correct”.
Just steer clear of St Louis style.
Just steer clear of Imo’s. There’s plenty of great St. Louis Style pizza on the hill, at local bars/restaurants and Cecil Whittaker’s is the best local chain serving it. And when you do get it grab an order of Toasted Ravioli and Gooey Buttercake, you won’t be disappointed.
Cecil Whittaker’s is the place I describe to every one as that place that has a weird name and starts with a c, that everyone should try.
That said, imos provel bites are the GOAT and I will fight to defend that
Haters everywhere.
First: Imo’s pizza is fine. As is Cecil Whittaker’s. It’s a distinct local thing that you are welcome to dislike, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with it. But credit to you for pointing people to the hill. Guido’s had my favorite pie, and they had options to use mixes of provel & mozzarella if that was your jam. And the tapas were delish.
Second: “Toasted” ravioli are over-rated. Breading and frying a dumpling is gilding a lily. Deep fried meatballs: that I can get behind. And of course ravioli are great. But using both pasta and breading to encase a filling is just silly. It’s a carnival food gimmick.
Third: Gooey butter cake is fine, but it really seems like a failed attempt at a pastry that people collectively decided was a happy accident.
Finally, I know this wasn’t brought up but I always take it to my stl food discussions: bread-sliced bagels are the perfect form factor for sharing in a group setting. A bagel is a meal, and people often don’t want a meal. And it’s economical - you only need a handful of bagels for a large group rather than one for everybody. The little slices are perfect for scooping up a bit of cream cheese without a knife. It’s superior snacking and literally the only reason it gets the hate that it does is because some stylish bakery in Brooklyn didn’t think of it first.
You guys are going to have your minds blown if you ever go to Italy
Maybe I’ve been to the wrong Italy, but tried pizza in Milan and on Rome and both were very underwhelming.
We’re you eating at the airport McDonald’s? Italians do not mess around with food and will fuck places up if they’re serving shit. As a friend of mine said (who lived there for 8 years) you get better sandwiches at Italian truckstops than you do at specialty delis in North America.
Nah I can speak from experience that both the best and worst pizza I’ve ever had were had within the very same visit to Rome. Probably within 24 hours of each other.
Once in an almost touristy area - not the spots with the most traffic, mind you, but where you transferred from suburban rail to bus to get to those spots, so still in the city. Hot garbage. The worst pizza I’ve had in my life. It was soggy, thin, and mass-produced, who knows how long it had been sitting out, served in an atmosphere I can only describe as mall cafeteria but smaller and contained in one storefront.
Best pizza was this little take-out spot in a beach district called Ostia, on the other end of that same rail line, which I stumbled upon by chance because I forgot to bring a swimsuit for the beach and it was across from the calzedonia I happened to stop at. I took it to eat with my friend who was sitting outside a nearby cafe. It was hot, crispy, with fresh tomato sauce and soft bread. I probably won’t find anything that measures up to it for a while tbh.
The closest since then is maybe a small local place down the road from me here in Michigan, but I’m also someone that can appreciate american pizza for what it is. It’s not trying to be italian and that’s okay lol.
I had other pizza in Rome too but honestly most of the food I had there, save that one slice from the mom and pop shop in Ostia, really wasn’t anything to write home about.
I remember the one in Rome, it was somewhere in a residential area, not Colloseum etc, and there was a small line of people waiting. Very likely it was a bad place or some strange style of pizza that did not hit my plebean tastebuds. Or anyone else’s in our little group.
I imagine like everywhere there are good places and shit places to buy food
You should specifically look for places with Neapolitan pizza, it’s by far the best
I mean you had pizza at one place in those cities. You haven’t tried them all.
Not one place, I remember this one place specifically.
But yes, I’m aware my sample size is small. So what. As a tourist you have a subjective view of what you experience in a country, unless you’re one of the people glued to Google Maps reviews and waiting in lines to Michelin restaurants.
It’s almost like recipes evolve, and a dish created before tomatoes were brought to Europe might have different variants.
Italian pizza is basically an entirely different dish at this point. It happens. American pizza isn’t somehow less valid for having drastically changed from the original thing. It was, after all, brought here by Italian immigrants.
The wild thing is, what’s often thought of as Italian pizza isn’t even really older than American pizza.
It’s generally regarded as being created around 1890, and the first American pizza parlor opened in 1905.
I’ve been to Italy. Still really love Detroit style pizza. When I was in Italy (late '90s), none of us realized that pepperoni was an English name that didn’t exist in Italy. We got a pizza with a bunch of kinds of peppers on it at this place in Rome. Was still great, though.
Lol, I love all pizza, even shit pizza. Nothing like a 3am grease slab from the kebabbery which would make an Italian spit at you!