TO THE ADMINS: Read this thread and give me one good reason why federating with toxic, propaganda spreading tankie loons is a good idea.
No one wants those fucks, or the alt right dipshits for that matter, around, and they’re spreading blatant lies, yet I see they are here. Does lemm.ee only care about boosting its numbers and is willing to sink to new lows to do it, I wonder? 🤔
For the time being, I have no plans to change our federation policy. I realize this is not what you want to hear, and I’m sorry to disappoint you. It’s just not a goal for lemm.ee to curate external instances for now.
There are probably many instances out there that have horrible content (content which would get users banned if they posted it on lemm.ee), but vetting instances and maintaining a defederation list is a big effort, and I believe this effort is much better spent elsewhere.
I’ve stated this in many other similar threads, but let me also reiterate here: the above should not be taken to mean that lemm.ee is some bastion of free speech absolutism. Users or communities breaking rules on lemm.ee are dealt with. Also, we do reserve the right to defederate any instance which starts causing problems for lemm.ee on a bigger scale (so in cases where banning individual users is not effective).
I realize this is a topic where it’s impossible to make everybody happy, because each person has their own view on what should be federated or defederated. At the end of the day, for anything that’s not illegal or directly hurting lemm.ee, I believe it’s best to leave these decisions up to users - you can make your own choices with which users and communities you block, and I’m certain that soon you’ll have the tools built in to Lemmy itself to make the same decision on an instance level as well. And if that doesn’t work for you, then there’s always the possibility of joining a different instance with a different approach to federation.
But defederating Threads was fine lol.
We need to stop recommending Lemm.ee to newcomers, it’s hostile to normal folks.
The approach to federation with Facebook is documented here: https://lemm.ee/post/851217
Why don’t you just start your own? You can defederate any instance you want.
I’m on lemm.ee but I’ve personally blocked communities I’ve found to be toxic, some of them were on lemmygrad. I see very little tankie shit. Took me like 5 minutes.
People half-joke that coming to Fediverse is easy, all you need to do is select a provider like you do with e-mail.
In case of Lemmy this omits the part where you have to block dozens of communities because they shill for genocidal regimes and you can’t block them and their users wholesale using instances. You also have to be on a lookout for trolls that coordinate on those instances and use alts from other instances. If you aren’t careful enough your experience might be akin to a conspiracy Facebook group but obviously it’s users fault.
Mastodon doesn’t have this issue despite using same Activity Pub framework.
Kbin doesn’t have it.
It’s Lemmy developers and instances that somehow ended up with staggering amount of tankie trolls, to the extent that exceeds even alt-right trolls on Reddit.
Telling people to start their own instances is acknowledging that the issue is so widespread that there are no instances with sane policies.
I second. Please do the instance a favor and disconnect from them. They are bad faith actors here to do nothing but cause chaos. If I could block them on my own, I would have done it day one.
Most of the apps allow you to block communities or entire instances. I’ve been using connect, it’s free and let’s you block. Most of the reason I downloaded it.
I’ve personally found the hexbear locals to be really inclusive, and pleasant to interact with. I couldn’t say I agree with the totality of their political outlooks, but I’ve not found them particularly unreasonable.
What about the Lemmygrad retards trying to claim Tianamen Square didn’t happen? How the hell is that reasonable or okay?
probably best not to call people retards if you want to stay on the high road
Probably best to not try to scrape the bottom of the barrel when defending authoritarians pushing lies and propaganda. Like, if you’re going to go for a red herring, you could at least tone police me; that would at least be more plausible and less petty. Step your game up
I don’t have an opinion, because I really haven’t interacted with the Lemmygrad folks. Their instance culture just isn’t really my bag, so I don’t find much opportunity or common ground to engage.
EDIT: Never mind, this guy is masquerading as a neutral party to defend tankies, just ignore him.
Have you considered hosting your own instance? Its not difficult and you can control exactly who you federate with.
I shouldn’t have to as that costs money. It’s the admin’s job to fix his server, not mine.
If he’s a tankie or a supporter of them, he has a responsibility to us to be honest about that fact instead of allowing them to run roughshod and inundate the instance with propaganda. He KNOWS they don’t belong here but he’s ignoring the problem. That means he either is one of them, supports them or is being taken in by them. And that’s a serious problem that will affect the whole federation, not just this one instance.
If tankies get away with doing that here, they’ll do it to other admins, and poison the whole federation. It’ll be impossible for new instances to flourish without kowtowing to them, and so it has to be stopped here and now with the bigger instances.
EDIT: Welp, clearly I’ll have to, and it will be expensive, but we sane folks have no choice. These piece of shit admins on several different instances have shown us that they clearly don’t care about their users (this is not the first instance I have seen that’s pulled this crap).
Let me see what I can do
How do you foresee tankies poisoning the whole fediverse? Do you find their arguments compelling? It doesn’t even seem like they are trying to make a case, they are just bluntly stating misinformation. If we are going to remove all misinformation then we are going to need paid admins because even at the current scale its a full time job. Or should we only remove certain misinformation? I see blatant misinformation everywhere on the fediverse already and only a tiny percentage is tankie related.
How do you foresee tankies poisoning the whole fediverse?
Because I’ve been watching what has been going on. Instances, big ones, that were previously hard-nosed about being defederated from them have mysteriously let them on their instances again, including this one. I signed up for this instance specifically BECAUSE it banned them, and then all of a sudden, for the past few days, my All feed is inundated with their crap.
That is shady, sus, and wrong. A lot of people came here specifically to get away from tankies and their garbage, and now we’re expected to put up with it because the admins refuse to act and even let them back on? Explain to me how money, blackmail, intimidation, manipulation or abject retardation isn’t involved in that?
Or how it won’t happen to other instances once those cretins get a foothold in a big enough percentage of the fediverse?
It doesn’t even seem like they are trying to make a case, they are just bluntly stating misinformation. If we are going to remove all misinformation then we are going to need paid admins because even at the current scale its a full time job.
The admin already accepts donations so he has no excuse.
I see blatant misinformation everywhere on the fediverse already and only a tiny percentage is tankie related.
You can thank the alt-right dipshits at .world for that, and that’s why I speak out now: unless admins’ feet are held to the fire and they’re held accountable for not protecting their users, it’ll keep getting worse. The admins made an instance they want us to use and accept donations to keep it running. Therefore they have a responsibility toward us they’re not meeting, and it results in dangerous shit like propaganda claiming the Tianamen Square massacre did not happen to run freely when it should not. That is crazy and you know it
Nope, sounds like you need to go sign up for a tankie instance and leave the rest of us decent people alone instead of invading every space and expecting others to be okay with it.
Apparently yes, because you’re here defending them in a meta thread for my instance written specifically to address this issue, an instance you’re not even a part of, so what reasonable conclusion can we make except you’re here to defend them and keep them around when you know instance natives do not want them?
See, this shit is why the tankies need to leave. They’re astroturfing and getting their buddies/alt accounts to stick up for them and this is like the third that has cropped up in the thread so far. How can meaningful engagement happen if they are going to be allowed to just gang up on anyone who complains or disagrees with them? That’s not a fun instance and the admins of lemm.ee have no business allowing it.