A Hong Kong court ordered the liquidation of China Evergrande, the world’s most indebted property developer.

Evergrande has assets of about $245 billion, but owes about $300 billion.

Its demise is a “controlled collapse,” but still raises systemic risk and will hurt investors, says an analyst.

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Oh boohoo, did someone who enthusiasticly supports capitalism play and loose? Good, welcome to the extreme shittiness of a global free market.

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You know, sometimes it’s really obvious when a person is a broke ass jealous loser.

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Imagine being this stupid and thinking “I’m not stupid”.

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God you people are sadly obvious

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Jealous of who?

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People with more than 5 bucks

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Oh no! I’ve been discovered! 😭🥲 Please tell me how I can be cool and feel good about myself making fun of people on the internet?

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and will hurt investors

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Investors can go suck it, I’m in the corner of the working class.

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I don’t think you quite understand that in this case, it’s millions upon millions of working and middle class people who put most of their life’s savings into this.

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So you’re in the corner of the working class, and playing the tiniest violin at their suffering?

Are you sure you just an awful person, or do you not read?

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Even here the system will be rigged in favor of big investors vs small investors vs people who bought an asset and will get squat. Because working class who gave them money upfront to purchase an appt or house will be the last one in the collectors queue.

But your response is accurate to the “claim” that investors will be hurt. Media is so messed up that they don’t even mention the customers that will get the worse impact than investors.

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That’s literally what the return on all the other investment is for: the assumption of risk.

I guess it’s the same shift in mentality as the credit card processing machine asking for a tip for everything by default.

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The thing with debt is that every time someone (or something) that owes a world-changing amount of it suddenly goes kaput, it becomes pretty clear how much of the debt system is made up.

If Evergrande owes banks, they’ll just write off the debts and pretend it never existed. If they owed companies, they’ll recoup “lost” money from assets and loans from someone else.

Most of the debt system is arbitrary and totally nonexistent. This wont be the collapse of the chinese economy like ““china waters”” claimed it would be; for a capitalist country masquerading as a classless economic system they’re doing capitalism a lot better than most of the world right now.

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They just write it off 😃

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAjxn2US7J8

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Until it gets down to paying small businesses and individual contractors, then all of a sudden the money is all gone and I don’t even recognize you, señor.

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Let’s see if China have a capitalism with American characteristics and is going to rescue the company with public money, or if they’re going with a more theorical one and left it going broke.

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Thats not what liquidation means.

To turn over to a trustee one’s assets and accounts, in order that the several amounts of one’s indebtedness may be authoritatively ascertained, and that the assets may be applied toward their discharge.

In America, the company would be handed a fat check.

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I think China has complete control of many of their companies so it’s a tad bit different than us.

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Does it hurt anyone other than investors? Because I could not possibly care less about investors.

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I care a lot about what happens to them. I hope there is a hell just so they can burn in it.

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“investors” in this case include middle class Chinese citizens, I think that’s worth caring about

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That’s the problem with investors, if they’re not making more money than last year they find a way to fuck the rest of us. Either they pressure companies to lay off workers, they pressure the government to cut taxes, lower pesky labour and environmental regulations, or just handover cash in the form of a subsidy or bailout.

Either way they get our money somehow and enshittify our lives. If there’s no hell we’ll need to invent a special kind of justice for these people.

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I don’t know if I can really blame the investors themselves for enshittification… I mean, sure, it’s done for their sake but is it their call? They want a return on the investment, but how much say do they have in the companies that actually do the shitty things?

Then again if I gave money to someone and said “go bring me some milk” and they got me milk, but also murdered everyone they saw along the way, I would definitely not be hiring them again and probably could be in trouble despite not asking for or wanting the murders. If the investors don’t pull out when the company is doing shitty things to make them money, they are definitely evil themselves.

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Sorry I was just watching a video that was explaining that most companies are run by a handful of people who basically each represent several of the largest shareholders combined. I suppose I was imagining these people making the actual decisions and hiring the board and pushing the direction of the company and the lobbying efforts as the “investors”.

You’re right I don’t mean we should commit war crimes against grandpa because he has a pension fund lol

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Fiduciary responsibility. Shareholders/investors can, have, and will, sue.

That’s where the primary focus is supposed to lie. Legally anyway.

If selling all the assets and firing all the people could increase the share price for a quarter, they’ll do it.

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Probably won’t hurt the investors, they’ll get paid. But all the individual contractors who worked for the company are very unlikely to actually see payment.

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Hurts the customers, like lower-middle class people that put their life savings down to buy a home and never got one.

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The company owes $300B on $245B of assets. Unsecured creditors are among the last on the list to be paid back, and at least some of those are contractors who did work for the company and haven’t been paid yet.

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