Hi everyone,

Currently looking at either a Pixel 8 or a S23 as a replacement for my Zenfone 8 that is slowly becoming a hindrence due to (primarily) the battery. I would replace it, but as it costs a lot to do that here and I have needs for a non-compromised water protection DIY feels like a dangerous option.

So S23 vs Pixel 8, what would you guys recommend assuming I can get either for the same price?

I like the S23 hardware a bit better on paper, but as Pixel phones generally are very flashable my anti-Google sentiments might (ironically) push me there.

I would get a fairphone 5 for the hot-swappable battery etc if they weren’t so expensive for what you get, and as Im buying second hand reuse is better for the environment anyways.

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I didn’t buy the Pixel almost entirely because it doesn’t support HDMI video out through the USB-C port. I use that to watch movies from my phone on hotel TVs, or my AR glasses, etc. So I went with the S22. Also has Dex, in case you want to use the phone as a tiny computer with an external monitor, keyboard and mouse.

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I’m actually waiting for the new Pixel 8A to come out sometime in May. Currently have Pixel 5 with grapheneos and I’m gonna have graphene on the pixel 8a as well.

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By far the Pixel. Install GrapheneOS on it, its great

If you look into Android its damn scary. Especially Samsung is completely full of bloatware, they even preinstalled Facebook at least on an S9 which I looked at.

https://github.com/trytomakeyouprivate/Android-Tipps/blob/main/debloat/Samsung.md

All those hardware specs are not important. The question is: Is this a device that I use to do things with and otherwise is shuts up? Or is this constantly tracking me step by step, preinstalling bloatware and phoning data to at least 2 parties?

Google Pixel stock Android is also full of Tracking. But Google has full custom Android support. Every security feature, the cameras, etc. all work.

Also updates are really really fast. Other manifacturers are delayed by months, Google and GrapheneOS are extremely fast

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I have an S23U and a P8P and I vastly prefer the S23U.

But, if it’s flashability you’re after then it’d have to be the Pixel.

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Pixels support all security features and fully verified boot for Custom Android Versions.

Nobody should use the complete tracking Android that comes preinstalled on any Smartphone really.

It not like “kinda bad”. Those are literally just tracking devices.

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I am currently still using my S21 which I debloated as much as possible without flashing a different ROM on it (I don’t want to potentially break Knox). I’ve always preferred Samsung’s hardware and I prefer the smaller size to the Pixels which have gotten so big now. I still think my next phone will be a Pixel so I can use grapheneOS on it, especially now that you can use Android Auto in Graphene now. But the bulkiness of pixels really does turn me off to them. I am not a fan of their huge camera bar bumps either.

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Pixel hardware does suck. They are so huge and actively got worse.

Camera of a P6a is worse than a P4a! And no headphone jack on such a huge phone.

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