I bought 175 g pack of salami which had 162 g of salami as well.
I was kinda confused why everyone’s sucking the D of the corps here, and comments reiterating stuff already said.
But then I reminded myself at least 150 up voted this and all is right again.
I really hope you read and considered the top reply to your post. Science is a good thing
Holy shit dude. Did you ever see me contradict their statements? No. I’m purely talking about the pathetic amount of effort people are taking to take the side of corporations. Like someone already posted a comment about water. But no someone else has to make a paragraph long post about it. Whole fucking cares. Go do something useful with your time. Go to a conservative sub and convince people their wrong about racism and welfare. Don’t waste your time debating fucking noodle weight.
It’s more like people here are engineers and understand the concept of standard variance.
Some of us work for corps and see people trying to do their best to help people every day. It’s tempting to think there’s this hidden layer of control somewhere, where the evil people are. Maybe it’s there, I dunno. To me the evil people seem to be spread throughout.
It’s inherent in profit maximisation for management to pursue shrinkflation and other anti-consumer practices. Same for taking advantage of the nice people that work for them.
Yeah there’s a pull to, but that doesn’t mean the utility function maximizes at using people. Because there are other factors, like one’s reputation, and competition from other employers and suppliers, that shift the maximum back toward being good.
There’s no reason to think that our concept of “good” didn’t evolve, and isn’t actually the optimal strategy for accumulating success.
I do, however, also know the evil humanity is capable of when dehumanization can be achieved. I think that people can get caught up in less important things when they don’t see the people they effect. And the bigger an organization gets, the more layers there are between the top and the bottom, and the more tempting it is at the top to do something anti-human, to sacrifice the people for some lesser goal like money or “fighting the good fight” or “breaking this record or whatever abstract thing the dehumanizer decides to sacrifice their people to pursuing.
I agree with you there’s all sorts of evil inside corporations. I just don’t think that necessarily comes from profit motive. I think it comes from their size and a culture within them that separates management enough that they can dehumanize people under their own authority.
People can be used up and manipulated and put through unhealthy scenarios that degrade them, in all sorts of organizations: corporations, armies, mobs, communes, churches, sports teams, everything. All those organizational structures can make machines that chew people up and spit them out, and they get more likely to as they get larger.
I’ll take blatant consumer fraud for $500, Alex
Let me introduce you to tolerance in measuring instruments and measuring errors.
Edit: Apparently I’m pro evil companies because I just pointed out that scales (and more importantly non-professional scales) have relatively high error tolerances (+ the measurament method error). Thus the measuring of this pasta and the possible interpretations of it have to take into account that.
“Always” is a really strong word that you should not be using in this context since it’s just not true.
For example, there once was more than indicated on a package of lentils in 1958. So it’s clearly not always.
That does not apply in today’s world where shrinkflation and consumer fraud run rampant.
It us solely the company’s responsibility to ensure each package is labeled with the correct weight, not the consumer to tolerate excuses like “measuing errors” whether they’re valid or not. Companies have too much power to just not know or be able to accurately weigh or label their product, ergo if there’s a problem, they chose to have it in there. And if you dispute that, I will simply block you and move on.
Stop defending evil corporations. Stop doing this.
All that speech does not change that the weighing scales he is using is cheap af and thus the measuring error is high enough. Even if the guys at the company had the best measuring system in the world without error and they packed 410g of pasta, the guy measuring at home with that scale would probably mesure a vaule not equal to the nominal one.
Maybe the scales have measuring errors because they defend evil corporations. “Please scales stop defending evil corporations!!”. Dude i hate scales they are so much pro system…
Srry your comment was too funny for me.
All that speech doesn’t change the fact that your standards don’t matter, ours do, and if our scales don’t match what that package says, you have to put more product in to make it do so or you are defrauding us. Period.
Now come back when you’re ready to meet our standards.
You think tolerances and measuring errors don’t exist just because shrinkflation and fraud are things that exist?
I hate capitalism and corporate bullshit, too, but I don’t need to get outraged at the shit that’s barely an inconvenience like missing 8 grams of spaghetti in a 410 gram package that was mass produced. That shit would happen even if the companies weren’t asshats.
Yes, they are literally just excuses for shrinkflation and companies only benefit from shitheads like you to give them an easy out.
The world doesn’t revolve around tiny minute details and jargon from a field that doesn’t actually positively affect most people’s lives.
Our kitchen scales are the standard, not your overblown overpriced ones that are too precise to be meaningful to the average consumer.
We are in charge, not you.
That would be outright illegal. It’s more likely that op lives in lower humidity areas and non air tight food looses some water weight, or that op needs to calibrate their scale or buy a new one.
Yeah, uh… you realize there are net weight tolerances, right? Companies aren’t expected to get exactly the same weight for every single item they put out. And it’s not really possible for certain products.
This though, is likely pushing the limit.
Op is talking like everything he weighs is shorted. The tolerances you speak of mean that sometimes you’re a bit over, and sometimes you’re a bit under.
But if my 40 pack of pizza rolls stops at 39, ima riot.
Fwiw, I just put the contents of two packets of pasta on my own scale. The first was 1g under, the other 2g over.
I’m all for scrutinising companies, but I don’t think Big Pasta is trying to cheat us here.
So I eat a pizza roll or two here and there. I pack most of the bags full. And besides — they’re delicious. A man’s gotta eat. 39’s close to 40. 38, 37 at worst. You’re not gonna see a bag coming off my line with less than the full 36 let me tell you.
Yeah. I do prefer em frozen. Delicious.
It’s a 2% difference. The cutting and packaging is done (most probably) by machines. I have clinically diagnosed OCD, and I wouldn’t care about 8g of missing pasta… How much do you leave on the plate/in the pot/throw away? :)
Otoh, hitting exactly 410g (assuming the scale is calibrated, and you have the same temperature, air moisture and altitude as the factory), is very difficult. They could adjust their machines so the variation hangs a bit more towards the customer, but for them, 2% x millions of boxes = profit.
This really isn’t a big deal, the customer paid 2% less off this specific box. Oh.
This isn’t a big deal, the customer paid 2% less than the calculated total for their entire order at checkout and only had to say “me shorting this transaction is just a statistical probability and you should view it as the cost of doing business with me.” Oh.
This isn’t a big deal, the customer gets massive subsidies from the government while the poor manufacturers have to pay stupid worker safety fees and unfair payroll during times of extreme economic ‘fortune’. Oh.
Most of our packaging machines require < 1%, target <0.5% variance (both ways). Honestly in practice, over a whole batch the total variance is extremely tiny.
Add to this story the accuracy of a household, not-calibrated scale? Yeah I’d say this seems OK.
What do you make?
Tolerances for food items depend a lot on item size, shape, and irregularity.
