‘He was understandably frustrated and distraught by the present and on-going erosions to our constitutionally protected freedoms and the rights of free citizens’
There are a lot of people who would like you to think that disinformation is harmless; that if you buy into bullshit that it’s your own fault; and that the ‘people that matter’ know the truth.
This man bought into the fire hose of shit that is continuously, endlessly spewing a mixture of exaggerations, half truths and outright lies. He took it all very seriously, and he paid with his life.
Ask yourself, do you think this man was one of the ‘people who matter’ to his family? It sounds like some of them agree with, and listened to him and the fire hose.
This is a fucking tragedy. This man is a casualty of the fight for democracy, and it is a damn fight when people are getting shot for it. Not because he bought into some bullshit; but because he was fed a line of shit by people he trusted. His political party.
This has got to stop, and I think that it surely will.
Let’s hope it doesn’t have to be at the expense of another man’s life.
Another husband, father, grandfather, uncle or brother. Or worse, whole families.
@sparseMatrix
Choosing whom to trust (& listen to) is a moral choice, much more so than a political or philosophical choice.
Fam saying “he would never” are lying or naïve. He pointed a gun @ FBI agents. He would never?! Oh yes he fucking would, because he fucking did.
Rule # 1: Never point a weapon @ anything you don’t intend to destroy.
Repeated regularly by 2A folks.
He chose amoral violence, tragically. A greater tragedy will be if his fam&friends consider him a martyr.
I do not question any of that. My point is, the republican party has been stirring this pot a long time, and as long as the money keeps pouring, they cant be arsed, as the brits say.
It’s got to be stopped at the source. We’re already at the point that guys are like this everywhere. One stands in the foyer of the Kroger just about every afternoon 3 blocks from my house.
Wearing a ball cap with a thin blue line flag, armed to the teeth, in a flag-wrapped t-shirt, glaring at anyone who walks by with a smile their face.
His body language, the sidearm he’s wearing, his clothes - it all screams that if you’re aren’t mad as hell and not going to take it anymore, you must be a fuckin’ democrat.
That is a feature of the republican party. If it isn’t addressed soon, some sort of war will be the only way it gets addressed.
@sparseMatrix
Bingo. That guy is a perfect example of the one big favor that #McTurtle & #IQ45 have done this nation. They made many of these amoral shits bold enough to stand up & be recognized.
Now we know who many of them are. Never trust them. Oppose them @ every opportunity. Tax their churches & their billionaire leaders.
There’s a great Jon Stewart quote that won’t fit here, because 500bytes, so it will be in my next reply…
He pointed a gun @ FBI agents.
I support the action taken by the FBI here, and I certainly support their use of deadly force on someone who pointed a gun at them. But having lived through the past several years, I’d really like to see a bodycam video which shows this.
Not interested in seeing the man get shot, just want to see a video of him pointing a gun at them. I also acknowledge that I think the FBI seems to have a better record of not lying about their use of force than random police do.
But, I’m still going with (believably) alleged to have pointed a gun at them for now.
Indeed, it’s quite possible that both the guy and the police that shot him were in the wrong. We should never assume that because one group is bad the other group opposing them is good.
@sparseMatrix @be_excellent_to_each_other
I think that’s fair.
I skimmed thru the linked article, and viewed the 2 photos of the decedent.
Given no further evidence, do I think it is most likely true that he pointed a gun at FBI agents who loudly and repeatedly identified themselves? Yes, I do.
Good enough to hold up in criminal court? No.
Good enough for me, an internet rando-crank to say “Tough shit.”? Yup.
I’ve been proven incorrect before. I’m OK with that.
@sparseMatrix
Other than that bit, I agree with you.
Not that I’m a believer anymore, but the disinformation bit reminds me of the millstone mentioned in Mark 9:42
It’s possible to draw parallels like that everywhere all over the bible; and it’s not because of ‘omg prophesy’
“Though his statements were intemperate at times, he has never, and would never, commit any act of violence against another human being over a political or philosophical disagreement,” the statement read.
Cognitive dissonance. He literally committed an act of violence against another human by shooting at FBI agents. Their whole damn family is fucking stupid and I’m glad the piece of shit is dead.
This is exactly how they want you to feel, because it will sensitize you to the violence, you eventually move beyond the mere vocal, and they’ll have the war the want, because you and everyone like you will do the same thing. You’re far from alone in this thinking, so they are winning on fronts that we dont acknowledge, at least not ‘in the clear’.
I know the outcome when the oppressive far right starts acting up, we have history books. They’ll start the war, they always do. Our mindset isn’t a problem, theirs is.
I can’t imagine being 75 and deciding that the best use of my final years is to try to assassinate a moderate president. Even if you do feel the country is going to hell, you’ve got a decade left tops.
He let himself give into selfishness and anger instead of spending time with all that family, sitting on a patio chair with his dog and an icy Arnold Palmer waving to neighbors, and enjoying old man hobbies. What a frickin tragedy…
I want to know about serious issues with this country, but screw extremist media big time. News isn’t entertainment. It needs to be real or this crap happens.
To play devil’s advocate, I could imagine being 75 and deciding that “I’m going to be gone soon anyway, might as well use my final years to do something big.”
The rest of your comment I completely agree with, though.
I hear you, but Joe is kinda boring as a president. What has he done even remotely worth hurting him for? If we were hypothetically saying “oh I’m dying, I’m going to get Reagan and GB for what they guy away with in the Iran Contra,” maaaaybe, but the only guy I can think of that has it coming any less than Joe is Carter.
these right wing morons have had their brains eroded so goddamned far by right wing radio and TV, they are hopeless… they are literally going to Hell, like their dead moron cousin…
So the family is just as bad as he was, got it.