If your IP (and possible your browser) looks “suspicious” or has been used by other users before, you need to add additional information for registration on gitlab.com, which includes your mobile phone number and possibly credit card information. Since it is not possible to contribute or even report issues on open source projects without doing so, I do not think any open source project should use this service until they change that.

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167 points

I remember when gitlab.com was the most accessible alternative to GitHub out there, but it seems they’re only interested in internal enterprise usage now. Their main page was already completely unreadable to someone not versed in enterprise tech marketing lingo, and now this.

Thankfully Gitea and Forgejo have gotten better in the meantime, with Codeberg as a flagship instance of the latter.

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68 points

On a tangent, why are all of these companies pushing AI programming? This shit isn’t nearly as functional as they make it seem and all the beginners who try it are constantly asking questions about why their generated code doesn’t work

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64 points

We are in the hype cycle so everyone is going bananas and there’s money to be made prior to the trough of disillusionment.

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Haha so true.

I tried to use chatgpt to convert a monstrosity of a SQL query to a sqlalchemy query and it failed horribly.

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It’s their wet dream. Making software without programmers.

Execs have never cared about the technology or the engineering side of it. If you could make software by banging on a pot while dancing naked around the fire, they’d have been ok with that.

And now that AI has come along that’s basically what it looks like to them.

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27 points

VC’s and companies like OpenAI have done a really good job of propagandizing AI (LLMs). People think it’s magical and the future, so there’s money in saying you have it.

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25 points

Because it brings in mad VC funding

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the beginners who try it are constantly asking questions about why their generated code doesn’t work

Because it ain’t here to generate all their code for them. It’s a glorified autocomplete and suggestion engine. When are people gonna get this? (not you, just in general)

I use CoPilot myself, but if you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing yourself, you and CoPilot will both quickly hit a dead end together. It doesn’t actually understand what you want the code to do. Only what is similar to what you have already written or prompted for, which may be some garbage picked up from a noob on the web somewhere. Books and research using your meatbrain are still very much needed.

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It’s not in the interest of all the techbros to sell the new age AIshit as something less that can only do such small thing. They need to hype the shit out of it to get all the crazy investors money that understand nothing about it but only see AI buzzwords everywhere and need to go for it now because of FOMO.

It’s only gonna get much worse before it is toned down to appropriate usage.

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Don’t even need to make it about code. I once asked what a term meant in a page full of a certain well known FOSS application’s benchmarks page. It gave me a lot of garbage that was unrelated because it made an assumption about the term, exactly the assumption I was trying to avoid. I try to deviate it away from that, and it fails to say anything coherent and then loops back and gives that initial attempt as the answer again. I was stuck unable from stopping it from hallucinating.

How? Why?

Basically, it was information you could only find by looking at the github code, and it was pretty straightforward - but the LLM sees “benchmark” and it must therefore make a bajillion assumptions.

Even if asked not to.

I have a conclusion to make. It does do the code thing too, and it is directly related. Once asked about a library, and it found a post where someone was ASKING if XYZ was what a piece of code was for - and it gave it out as if it was the answer. It wasn’t. And this is the root of the problem:

AI’s never say “I don’t know”.

It must ALWAYS know. It must ALWAYS assume something, anything, because not knowing is a crime and it won’t commit it.

And that makes them shit.

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Because greedy investors are gullible and want to make money from the jobs they think AI will displace. They don’t know that this shit doesn’t work like they’ve been promised. The C-levels at Gitlab want their money (gotta love publicly traded companies), and nobody is listening to the devs who are shouting that AI is great at writing security vulnerabilities or just like, totally nonfunctioning code.

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I’m hyped about AI assisted programming and even agent driven projects (writing their own code, submitting pull requests etc) but I also agree that it seems just too early to actually put money behind it.

Its just so marginal so far, the UI/HMI has too much friction still and the output without skilled programming assistance is too limited.

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12 points

For my private repos, hosted on my home server, I moved from Gitlab to Forgejo (Git, artifacts and containers images) and Woodpecker for CI builds. Woodpecker is not as powerful and feature complete as Gitlab, but for simpler needs it gets the job done.

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67 points

GitLab used to be awesome when it was the place to go after MS bought out GitHub. They had premium access for all public projects under a FOSS license and top-tier CI. Then as time went on, they began pulling support for various functions in a very Microsoftian EEE sort of way. First requiring credit cards fir new users to access the CI, then taking away the CI almost entirely except for a practically useless monthly allotment, then taking away the premium access for public FOSS licensed projects. If I were migrating today I would not have chosen GitLab, but it is where I settled after leaving GitHub and my projects have grown to depend on GitLab CI even if I’m now forced to run my own runners due to the extreme nerfs they’ve done to the hosted CI. I mirrored OpenRGB to Codeberg, but since the CI pipelines depend on GitLab I don’t see Codeberg becoming the main hub anytime soon unless they can execute GL CI configs. Sad to see how far GitLab has fallen though, it is unrecognizable from what it used to be as far as support for FOSS prohects goes, especially given how GitLab itself started as a FOSS project.

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Enshittification, also known as platform decay, is the pattern of decreasing quality of online platforms that act as two-sided markets. - Wikipedia

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Maybe it’s time to start listing the enshittification phase of a project on Wikipedia or something.

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53 points

Fuck GitLab. I used to use it until recently moved all my projects to codeberg. Way better. GitLab is becoming more and more like GitHub.

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28 points

Forgejo ftw!

Self hosting here, also with runners to create a complete ci/cd line.

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14 points

GitLab is becoming more and more like GitHub.

Well, duh. That’s the sales pitch: “Like GitHub, but cheaper.”

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9 points

Except it’s way more expensive than GitHub. They jacked up the prices pretty hard. Now it’s like $15/contributor for private orgs, and it’s like $5 on GitHub for the same and more features.

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Except it’s way more expensive than GitHub. They jacked up the prices pretty hard. Now it’s like $15/contributor for private orgs, and it’s like $5 on GitHub for the same and more features.

Free for self-hosting, though.

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5 points

I think github is the cheap knockoff if anything

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3 points

Yeah I’m not gonna lie GitHub has clearly been trying to keep up with gitlabs feature set not the other way around for years

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1 point

For some people with less tech knowledge with git hosting, what’s the (remaining if any) advantage of Gitlab if alternatives like codeberg exists?

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52 points

Maybe it’s just me, but I never liked GitLab in the first place. The UI is just awful to me. Searching through issues, before posting a new one, is just a pita.

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Pita = Pain in the ass

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12 points

The best part of the Gitlab UI is when it gets upgraded and you have to relearn how to find everything.

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3 points

What, did they source their developers from blender?

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4 points

Blender actually improved its UI though

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You mean GIMP, right?!

Imho, Blender really deserves to be treated with more respect. They’re one of the few ones offering a great product for free. Sure, it might seem a bit overwhelming, but so are most of these 3D programs. It’s just a matter of getting used to… but GIMP, booy oh boy

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I last used it seriously like 7 or 8 years ago and it was fine. I put it on par with GitHub at the time. The ability to self host for free without too much trouble also really affected my position on it.

I haven’t really enjoyed the few times I’ve had to use it in the last couple of years, though.

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They been doing this for years. Here is a GitLab forum post about it.

As a gitlab user myself, I prefer gitlab over anything else because of their CI/CD. The free compute units run instantly now, no more queues orwaiting. A couple years ago, my pipelines would timeout after 3 hours.

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That post is only in regards to the CI feature. But today, even basic registration requires personal identification. You cannot even report bugs on open source projects without

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