106 points

Participation trophy monuments lmao

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If the confederate monument was installed in the 19th century, I’ll hear the history argument.

If it was installed as an overtly racist response to civil rights movements in the 20th century, that shit is racist as hell and needs to disappear from public lands.

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Nah. Tear 'em all down. The history can be left to the written word, detailing how they got destroyed. They don’t deserve any monument trying to extoll their “glory”. Rubble-ize them and put up memorials to the slaves in their place.

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A collage/university in the UK (unfortunately can’t remember which one) dealt with a similar problem well. It had statues of the founders out front. Unfortunately, they made their money from the slave trade. There were calls to destroy the statues. They instead, moved them to a small, half forgot garden in the back. As well as their original descriptive plagues, some more were added, explaining how they made their fortunes, and the various moral failings we now see in them.

It seems to me like this struck a good balance. It acknowledged the good they did, while emphasising the bad. Failing to recognise both good and bad can occur in individuals is often how history can repeat itself.

In short, don’t destroy them. Instead, stick them at the back of a museum to the horrors of slavery, half forgotten, except for their crimes.

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I like this approach, if we destroy the physical object, the history books will have less impact for future generations.

Add info about what horrible things they did, remove them from their place of honor, and put them in an alcove of shame.

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No. Preserve them in museums as a reminder of what can happen.

History should never be destroyed, but that doesn’t mean it has to be celebrated.

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History can and should be destroyed if we ever wish to move forward as a species. We can’t let idiots hold us back.

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I vote we melt them down and recast them into statues/memorials for civil right’s people. at least the bronze ones.

maybe even southern civil right’s people.

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Your monuments don’t matter you fucking losers.

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*Edit monuments not moments lol

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19 points

Couldn’t agree more

~a Texan

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The Daughters of the Confederacy can eat shit.

Oh, hell. I’ll link to it again. Fuck the South.

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That was a fun read. Haha.

I’d like to see what the properly backed up statistics of the Republic States vs the Democrat States are not days.

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Everything to do with the confederacy, except from teaching about the civil war, should be banned in the US. That flag they love, ban it. Statues, rip them down. Locations named after conspirators, rename them. The civil war was an attempt to destroy the US and divide it in two. They lost, fortunately. All associations to the traitors they were should not be allowed. People who claim “it’s my heritage” heritage of what exactly? That you’re white? Your skin says that. That your family was racist? Not a good quality to be flaunting and something you should probably come to terms with.

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We’re not big on banning things in the US. Just keep them off public land.

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I think the better action, over a blatant violation of the 1st amendment, would to push back ourselves instead of trying to get the government to break its own rules.

Anytime someone uses the phrase “War of Northern Aggression”, pointedly correct them in saying “(American) Civil War”. Anytime they spout “states rights”, amend them with “to own humans and demand other countries return the people they want to enslave”. Rock the damned boat and use the 1st amendment how it should be. They are not protected from other people having disdain for them for being stupidly proud of atrocities. And you know what, being proud of being descended from racist slave owners is not a protected class. Just saying.

The government shouldn’t suppress speech. But we can certainly give them consequences for being assholes.

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“War of Nothern Aggression” - Started by the confederates firing on Union soldiers at Fort Sumter.

“State’s Rights” - If you leave the Union, you’re no longer state in the Union with rights in the Union.

“Not about Slavery or race” - Articles of Confederacy first and foremost highlighted white supremacy and the servitude of negroes.

“It’s my heritage” - Fuck off. If you actually knew your heritage and history, you wouldn’t be loud and proud about it.

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