Hi everyone! Since I was absolutely fucked by Skiff (thank fuck I didn’t pay for it) I’m looking for a new email provider :) I’m not sure I like how proton is transforming into a full on suit, I only need email. Any other recommendations or is proton my only choice really?

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Check out Posteo. It’s affordable and focuses on privacy.

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I’ve been using Posteo for years. I can recommend.

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Linux, dovecot, postfix and a large quantity of pain medication.

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I know you are not interested in proton but they are the absolute best and you possibly cannot get anything better than their services on the privacy and security end (which they are focused on).

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+1 for proton!

I’ve been using it for years, they’ve never let me down!

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Me too

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Proton = No SMTP/IMAP support.

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How would they be privacy-centric if they supported SMTP and IMAP?

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Both support encryption and Lavabit probably had much higher standards than Proton when it comes to privacy and still supported those open protocols. What Proton is doing is pushing for vendor lock-in at any possible point so you’re stuck with what they deem acceptable because it’s easier for them to build a service this way and makes more sense from a business / customer retention perspective.

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Been using Tuta for a few years and its great. Can use catch-all with my own Domain

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A provider having more than 50 users and offering more than one service doesn’t make them evil. Use Proton. They are the best, and they’re not likely to disappear. If you intentionally seek out small services because you think being an underdog is some sort of privacy merit badge, you’ll get “absolutely fucked” over and over again.

Also, you should consider paying for the products you use to encourage sane and user-friendly business models. But that’s a different discussion altogether.

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It’s not about “using an underdog”, I just like “do one thing and do it well” philosophy you know. I don’t need drives, calendars, vpn, password manager, in one thing. I want a simple email provider that’s it.

Yeah skiff wasn’t like that but it seemed not too push it as much, just “hey it’s there you can use it” not full on products. Maybe I’m just being stupid about it idk

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You can simply ignore all of these other features. Proton offers an email-only plan.

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True… People also recommend having your own domain so I can switch easily in the future. Having my surname seems a bit… un-privacy-like lol Any recommendations for that?

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Proton = No SMTP/IMAP support.

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They support IMAP though their bridge but you will have to be on a paid plan.

The free plan is pretty terrible anyways so if you actually want to use proton you will have to pay.

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Yes and you can’t run a bridge on anything and they might discontinue it at any time and you’ll become hostage. So much for self-hosting, independence and open-source solutions.

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You can use Proton Mail Bridge to set up SMTP/IMAP with your email app of choice. Obviously, you’re still stuck with using the bridge app on your device in order to get it working.

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Waiting for the day their business team devices the bridge is too much freedom you should get all locked-in.

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proton requires them to use their software and adds a footer with protonmail ads to all of your emails without an option to disable it without paying up

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I think you need to read up on the reasons why services like GMail and Facebook are free.

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yes but they shouldn’t be hiding that fact deep in the settings
also I don’t care about encryption and stuff if it prevents me from using my favorite mail client without installing their bridge software

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Ads are harmless. The harmful things is JavaScript.

requires them to use their software

And their software doesn’t even have an option to display HTML messages as it is plain text messages.

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by software i mean the imap bridge, but i agree that the official client is pretty bad too

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