Democrats have all the spontaneity of the House of Windsor. Or, closer to home, they’re closer to what Republicans once were, a party that falls in line not in love.
I would totally be open to someone other than Biden running… If the DNC (or any party) had actually started promoting and positioning anyone good 2-3 years ago.
It’s too late now. Biden is the guy.
And all the people on the Internet I see whining about how they don’t like the choices available: if you actually want to do anything productive instead of just bitching you need to do the work in advance. Get involved with political organizations, campaigns, etc.
Even looking further ahead to he 2028 elections (assuming the US is still having elections)… Who is the DNC planning on running? Harris is cop who doesn’t excite anyone. AOC is probably too polarizing to get moderate support, and is probably move valuable in Congress right now. Newsome maybe? I hate to throw out celebrities, but it’s happened enough that it’s possible and John Stewart seems like he might just go for it. Heck, even he is 62 right now, so he’d be 66 if he ran in 2028, and 67 by inauguration day.
Everything about the administration makes it seem like they’re trying to promote and position Harris. Just trying and just being someone younger than Biden isn’t enough, it has to be someone who can hold together his coalition and there just isn’t anyone who totally fits, that’s why we are where we are.
2028 will be Harris, Newsome, Buttigieg probably, maybe Fetterman depending on recovery. Gretchen Whitmer and Andy Beshear are Democratic governors with a decent story to tell. AOC will take the Bernie campaign to the next generation no doubt. I don’t think the bench is that barren, but none of these people have a particularly compelling reason to declare in 2024 because they’re all just decent candidates, not overwhelming favorites.
The closest thing to an overwhelming candidate taking on a 1 term president was DeSantis, and he crumbled eventually.
Everything about the administration makes it seem like they’re trying to promote and position Harris
Why do you think this? I think I’ve seen a handful of articles about Harris the whole term and people on the Internet who don’t like her claim that she will be pushed. Id say Newsome is def being positioned to run tho
There’s not one big “they” out there pulling all the strings. Newsom is positioning himself to run in 2028. The Administration is positioning Harris as heir apparent. I don’t think there is any conspiracy to put Harris at the top of the ticket, but her entire job is being there if Biden dies, and I think it’s pretty reasonable to think Biden wants her to run after his 2 terms are up, they agree enough on politics and he picked her to be VP.
I say they’re positioning her because for the above reasons it would be extremely useful to have a popular young VP waiting on deck, and they might as well try. But I see it in every press release and announcement from the “Biden-Harris Administration” and they made her border czar and they’re sending her everywhere to talk about abortion, they’re putting her around important political issues so she can run on experience in the future.
The superdelegates have informed us of how they intend to vote [before the actual election] and we can conclusively call this election for you being wrong about that.
In 2008 the super delegates were all decided for Clinton. They switched when Obama won the votes.
It’s ridiculous that the DNC doesn’t understand this shit depresses turnout.
People want to choose who to vote for, voting for someone you dislike because the other candidate is worse doesn’t get enough voters to comfortably win
Biden is going to fuck around and lose, and the “moderates” are going to blame it on progressives (even tho they always show up) and say the 2028 candidate has to be even more rightwing
Or, Biden squeaks out a victory, and the party says that also proves the party needs to go more rightwing
No matter what happens, both parties keep drifting right.
And that reality is why we spend 100s of millions every election, and still barely crack 2/3s turnout.
Any democracy based on FPTP voting will trend rightward. It’s a fundamental flaw in the voting system from a game theory perspective. The dynamics of a two party system will always support a good cop/bad cop dominant strategy (think of spoiler candidates, and how we always are faced with the prospect of voting against a bad candidate rather than for a preferable one). Good candidates exist, but our preferences are not a priority inherent to the design of the system.
We would do better with approval voting or Concorcet, but the only way to change the voting system is to get buy-in from the parties to whom it would be certainly fatal.
Except American democracy has existed for longer than this issue…
FDR won in a two party system, sure, the parties instituted term limits to get rid of him, but he won in FPTP.
But the reason both parties drift right is because of the neoliberal movement that’s only been around 30 years.
It’s been working out terribly, but party leadership doesn’t care because there’s more money in being rightwing
Dark money out of politics would alleviate a lot of the issues we’ve been seeing. The voting system is still the game we have to play if we want democracy, and badly designed games are only fun for the winners. An approval vote would get us more broad consensus in leadership, and a return to government based on a shared vision of society, rather than a Congress perpetually locked in a darkly comedic reimagining of the French National Assembly.
No matter what happens, both parties keep drifting right.
Go back 20 years and the Democrats had a significant anti-abortion faction, formally opposed gay marriage, even acknowledging trans people was taboo, the core of John Kerry’s health care plan was some minor government subsidies for employer-based plans, any acknowledgment of police racism was absolutely not done, Kerry voted for the Iraq war with no regrets, and I could go on.
To say that the Democratic party is more right-wing today doesn’t hold up to a second of actual scrutiny.
Kerry voted for the Iraq war with no regrets,
Same as Biden and Clinton
The populace has gotten more progressive on a few individual issues and forced Democratic lawmakers to update their talking points a bit, but actual policy on things like the roll of the federal government in regulating and subsidizing businesses, campaign finance regulations, civil liberties and surveillance, and granting asylum to migrants has all gotten markedly more regressive
Meanwhile, back in consensual reality, Biden is the most Progressive president we’ve had in my lifetime in terms of policy actually passed into law.
p.s. I’m never going to block you. It’s far too important to show the rest of the class why you’re wrong.
In your lifetime, sure. Id argue Nixon.was far more progressive, and he was a Republican. Go look up the tax rates back then. Now look go who started the EPA.
Maybe you’re just really really young?
Obama was a lot more progressive than Biden, and he left office in 2016?
Obama’s healthcare reform wasn’t perfect, but what has Biden done that you think is more progressive?
Maybe I’m almost 50 & you’re just not aware of what Biden has actually accomplished.
What Progressive laws did Obama get passed in his TWO terms? I’ll start: AHCA & Cash for Clunkers.
What else?
Progressives do not show up to vote. What state are you looking at? Biden is a clear representation of his electorate. If young people actually bothered to vote the landscape would be so much different. The good news is young people are actually starting to be more politically active now.
Edit: you can downvote, but we can also look at the stats. I don’t get this anti-reality sentiment on Lemmy.
2nd edit. Just in case it’s not clear for those needing sources (even though this is extremely researched):
In 2022, younger voters made up a smaller share of the electorate than they did in 2018. In 2022, 36% of voters were under 50, compared with 40% of voters in 2018. Decreased turnout among these more reliably Democratic voters contributed to the GOP’s better performance in November.
Older voters turned out more reliably in both elections – and continued to be largely loyal to Republican candidates. For example, among adults ages 69 and older in 2022
Pew research 2022 election.
If you still believe that, no amount of evidence is going to change your mind bud …
But feel free to keep shouting into the void that you don’t understand it, maybe someone will try and explain it.
What are you talking about? Progressives are the least reliable voting block in the US. This isn’t some speculation, it is a known, well-studied fact. It is the very same fact that leads to the Dems becoming more conservative.
Anybody surprised by another Trump/Biden election hasn’t been paying attention for at least 6 months.
There was a good six month stretch after Biden was elected where I had hope that Trump was old news, a used up Republican tool.
Ah, to be so young and naive…
“a AAA single-player shooter in today’s market was a truly awful idea” -See it’s the single-player bit that’s the issue back to live services! An EA exec
Citizens United and SpeechNow packaged and sold the entire electoral process to corporate donors. We are 14 years into this.
It will not improve until those rulings are overturned, which will not happen until lifetime appointees in their 50s die or resign.
And having congress pass a law won’t work because we are 14 years into it. The only feasible measure remaining is through strong executive action, which is also unlikely because of the same mechanisms at work.
Biden isn’t about to do an FDR and marshall his party, and I don’t think he ever was or will. He is well aware of where the loyalties of Congress lie.
