What is clear, however, is that Trump — who ostensibly spent four years as president of the United States — has little clue about what NATO is or what NATO does. And when he spoke on the subject at a rally in South Carolina over the weekend, what he said was less a cogent discussion of foreign policy than it was gibberish — the kind of outrageous nonsense that flows without interruption from an empty and unreflective mind.
“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay, and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump said, recalling an implausible conversation with an unnamed, presumably European head of state. “‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’” Trump recounted responding. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”
The former president’s message was clear: If NATO members do not pay up, then he will leave them to the mercy of a continental aggressor who has already plunged one European country into death, destruction and devastation.
Except NATO isn’t a mafia protection racket. NATO, in case anyone needs to be reminded, is a mutual defense organization, formed by treaty in 1949 as tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union hardened into conflict. “The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all,” states Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.
You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”
Boy, that’s rich coming from Il Douche.
From somebody being sued by their former attorney for not paying their bills
The only time the mutual defence treaty was triggered is because the US was attacked and all countries in NATO stepped up to the plate.
Not just stepped up to the plate, but went pretty much all-in on a COMPLETELY pointless invasion against what was almost certainly the wrong country.
That’s how committed they were to NATO.
I am assuming you mean the Iraq war, but that was not a NATO operation, it just happened to have many NATO allies providing support, not all of them.
To your point, it was called the “Coalition of the willing”. Article 5 was not invoked.
At the time it was correct and very much not pointless. Where we fucked up was staying around and trying to nation build. Moment we destroyed al qaeda we should have left.
Edit: Afghanistan was in response to 9/11 not Iraq…
My implication is that if we really wanted to get Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda, the more sensible targets were Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Which of course we didn’t go after. We had a goal of spilling some Arab blood, but wanted a target that would be a cooperative punching bag.
And even then, we still fucking failed. Al-Qaeda still exists. Or it was consumed by/transformed into/always secretly was just a branch of Daesh who are still going strong. Or maybe they weren’t really a coherent organization in the first place and were always more grassroots/franchised. Not to mention the Taliban are right back in power and doing their same shit. We accomplished nothing more than running the best possible recruitment campaign for the next generation of west-hating religious extremist warriors.
The guy currently on trial for racketeering is asking people for protection money or something bad will happen to them? Who would have thought!
Also “you have to pay your bills, unlike me who literally NEVER pays ANY bills.” I mean, if there is one consistent element in Trump’s character for the decades he’s doing business is that he’s constantly stiffing people.
Worked with a batshit crazy old lady in the quality department for about a year. She was stuck there (both job and location) while she cared for her very elderly mother. Before that she had something to do with finance, fashion and F1 racing (like a client liaison or something) but any way. She recalled a tale from late 80s early 90s of being in a very specific bank (Royal back of Scotland?) and watching Mr Trump storm out after being denied a loan. The utter bliss she experienced in telling that story every ting i asked to hear it again… Brought happiness to my heart.
I miss you Marylin you batshit crazy old lady.
Dude’s a mob boss, everyone around him has taken the fall and he’s still there. That’s insane.
The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, And Hells Angels lied to me. I thought mob bosses were intelligent, charismatic, and capable of playing 4d chess. Meanwhile…
"One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, 'Well, sir,
Imma stop it right there. It’s always possible that someone, out of a general professional attitude or decorum, used that ‘sir’ wording, but I’ll be damned if I’ve heard Trump use that word in a context that doesn’t sound like he’s just making some bullshit up.
I mean, he pretty much always sounds like he’s making some shit up, but my point stands!
I like how John Bolton (who is a massive douche nozzle by the way but gotta give credit where credit is due) called Trump out by saying that any time Trump tells a story where someone calls him “sir” then you know it’s absolute bullshit.
Can’t lose what you never had. Its laughable to pretend that Trump ever had a clue as to what NATO is or does.
He doesn’t understand OUR military, how is he going to comprehend the utility of a trans-national mutual defense accord?
I’m frankly amazed he doesn’t choke on his food, he’s so fucking stupid.
He thinks NATO is his slum tenants and fancies himself a mob boss getting paid protection money.
