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Bullshit

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What’s unusual about preferring the more stable and predictable party? Republicans are less anti-Russia one day, then say some bs about space nukes the other. At least Biden’s a bit more consistent.

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Reverse psychology? Is he trying to make libs think that Biden has been compromised by Russia, therefore Trump wins, which is actually what Putin wants?

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It’s just trolling. Next magas will say “he’s scared of Trump” and so on.

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no one is saying he is scared of Trump there are other reasons he might be less hopeful of a trump win

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Sure

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Exactly. Putin is really concerned about student loan debt.

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I don’t think that anywhere near as many people that thought Trump was “compromised” would believe Biden has been. If anything Biden constantly demanding more and more money and arms stockpiles from the US to go to Ukraine is kind of a win for Russia. As it means less money and arms are being kept by the US. It weakens us in money and supplies. The constant cheerleading about standing with Ukraine until the end and all territories are returned, kind of makes it hard to save face and cut off the supply line. Trump being much more prone to impulses and thrives on attention is much more likely to change directions even if people scream at him about it. Just as long as he can be the centre of attention and not really care about the situation.

That being said, Putin is definitely fucking with everyone. It helps create chaos for both parties to constantly be too focused on accusing each other of being “compromised.” And the best part is that he doesn’t even have to actually do anything other than exist for this to happen.

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Putin is no one’s friend but his own. I could go on but I remember your pro-Ruzzia tirades and it isn’t worth arguing with bad faith arguments, you’ll learn for yourself eventually when, shocking no one, shills like you outlive your usefulness and get disposed of.

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Putin is no one’s friend but his own

On account of being an enemy of the US, not sapping wealth from developing nations like imperial core countries do, and defending their sovereignty against the US (like with Syria), he’s already very much a friend of the Global South.

There’s a reason songs like this are common across the developing world.

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or and here me out here, he is not lieing? just maybe, like you are doing lots of mental gymnastics to get to the point of he is lieing for reverse phycology and doing like a tripple bluff, when accams razer would sugest it is just he means what he says.

Note in no way am I pro Trump … nor do I want trump to win.

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It doesn’t exactly take mental gymnastics to think Putin might lie about something if he thinks it’ll give him an advantage.

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Agian I ask of Trudeau made the same claim, or the Prime Minister of New Zeeland, would you be making the same argument

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Does that mean Republicans are going to vote Biden since they shill Russia?

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Nope. Just means that Republicans are going to switch back to anti Russia suddenly and without a reason except “he said democrats are good”

In reality, putler’s entire strategy for the US has been to create discord and chaos and bank on the fact that we’ll be too paralyzed as a country to properly react to the things Russia does.

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Don’t think that’ll work in his favor but then again, he also thought he’d conquer Ukraine in 3 days…

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God damn mega troll… Gotta admire the legendary mind fuckery against for both sides though.

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Imagine having coherent politics and recognizing that Putin knows that Biden is more stable than Trump and would be less likely to escalate the war in Ukraine…

…Instead of having to be like “is he playing mindgames? Is this him trolling us? He says he wants blue team to win in 2024, but we are blue team and we hate him!”

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Trump seems like he is more likely to dismiss the war or help the Russian side by weakening NATO. Why would Biden be preferable to Russia if he is going to continue trying to supply Ukraine?

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The thing is Trump would either weaken nato by insisting on member nations upping their military expenditures or escalate the war.

In the first case NATO doesn’t need to weaken for Russia to accomplish its immediate objectives, it is weak enough already.

In the latter case nukes might fly.

It makes sense for Putin to want Biden to stay president, there would be no additional winning and major risk with a Trump presidency.

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or escalate the war.

This seems to run contrary to everything I’ve read about Trump’s position. The first half of what you said is at least somewhat accurate. But the second half is contradicted by numerous reports from Trump that his approach would have been to “take a deal” and get out, implicitly with substantial land concessions from Ukraine. And then there’s the fact that both of them have profess to having positive relationships with one another and admiring one another.

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He says he wants blue team to win in 2024, but we are blue team and we hate him!

Well we’re off to an awfully bad start because this is about the shallowest bad faith caricature I could possibly imagine. Let’s put it this way:

  • Putin absolutely has a propaganda strategy aimed toward the west that utilizes a number of tools and messaging strategies
  • Among the strategies reported on, one has been to escalate existing divisions within the United States, with one example reported on being creating opposing conservative and liberal events and scheduling them at the same location
  • Purin preferred Trump for his first term
  • Putin preferring Biden can be politically damaging to Biden in the context of domestic politics
  • a Trump victory could prove exceptionally destabilizing to domestic politics in the United States

I’m not even 100% saying I’m right, but every step of this is perfectly reasonable, it doesn’t rely on any outlandish assumptions, and communication about this isn’t helped by mocking people with bad faith caricatures and performative incredulity.

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  1. complains of caricature

  2. demonstrates the caricature

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